boosting Stable with some testing packages

If it doesn't relate to Debian, but you still want to share it, please do it here

boosting Stable with some testing packages

Postby bester69 » 2017-11-28 18:41

Am i the only one that things its a good idea mixing some controlled testing packages with stable and enjoy last codecs and performance??

Right Now, Ive got upgrated in testing theses packages:
- btrfs-tools
- mpv, gnome-mpv
- pulseaudio
- intel-microcode, cpulimit
- firmware-intel-sound
- Codecs Audio/Video:
libav(ffmpeg codecs), libx264, libmpg*, AAC encoders
- Graphics Packages rendering (DRM, VAAPI, VDPAU):
libdrm-*, libva*, vdpau-drivers, i965-va-driver

What others packages would you very recommend me to boost stable without compromise very much the stability??
User avatar
bester69
 
Posts: 985
Joined: 2015-04-02 13:15

Re: boosting Stable with some testing packages

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2017-11-28 18:44

Ah good, another troll thread from our resident jester, what fun... :roll:

@jester: what exactly is wrong with backports?

Any not available from there can be hosted with the OBS rather easily:

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=130057
"Only the mediocre are always at their best." — Jean Giraudoux
User avatar
Head_on_a_Stick
 
Posts: 6790
Joined: 2014-06-01 17:46
Location: /dev/chair

Re: boosting Stable with some testing packages

Postby wizard10000 » 2017-11-28 18:51

bester69 wrote:Am i the only one that things its a good idea mixing some controlled testing packages with stable and enjoy last codecs and performance??


Yes.
we see things not as they are, but as we are.
-- anais nin
User avatar
wizard10000
 
Posts: 1222
Joined: 2011-05-09 20:02
Location: everywhere i go, there i am!

Re: boosting Stable with some testing packages

Postby Lysander » 2017-11-28 18:55

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:@jester: what exactly is wrong with backports?


Less trolling potential?
User avatar
Lysander
 
Posts: 364
Joined: 2017-02-23 10:07
Location: London

Re: boosting Stable with some testing packages

Postby bester69 » 2017-11-28 18:57

Lysander wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:@jester: what exactly is wrong with backports?


Less trolling potential?


very few backported packages, and lower version than testing, isnt that obvious?, for sure, i use sometimes backports branch
User avatar
bester69
 
Posts: 985
Joined: 2015-04-02 13:15

Re: boosting Stable with some testing packages

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2017-11-28 19:09

bester69 wrote:very few backported packages

Host your own then (see my link).

lower version than testing, isnt that obvious?

Not really, backports are taken from testing.

For example, with your "btrfs-tools" package (which is now a transitional package that installs btrfs-progs), the versions are exactly the same:

https://packages.debian.org/jessie-back ... trfs-progs

https://packages.debian.org/stretch/btrfs-progs
"Only the mediocre are always at their best." — Jean Giraudoux
User avatar
Head_on_a_Stick
 
Posts: 6790
Joined: 2014-06-01 17:46
Location: /dev/chair

Re: boosting Stable with some testing packages

Postby pylkko » 2017-11-28 19:17

hybrid testing/stable doesn't sound like a good idea considering that many (if not all) of the packages from testing can probably be built safely for stable. That is, if they are not already in the backports repository.

But you should always consider the additional amount of maintenance that will come with anything like this (or your FrakenDebian). Are those new features really worth the effort? When they are, you should consider it, but it is really easy to believe that they are when they just really aren't...

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976

Also, another thing.. You have said several times that you use some specific Ubuntu kernel, was it maybe 4.4. I don't know how good of an idea it is to use that with newer btrfs user space tools...
User avatar
pylkko
 
Posts: 1213
Joined: 2014-11-06 19:02

Re: boosting Stable with some testing packages

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2017-11-28 19:51

bester69 wrote:mixing some controlled testing packages with stable and enjoy last codecs and performance??

Sure, it will truly be "last" performance you will get.

bester69 wrote:- Codecs Audio/Video: libav(ffmpeg codecs), libx264, libmpg*, AAC encoders

Nothing wrong with those in Stretch, last I checked they played everything flawlessly.

bester69 wrote:- Graphics Packages rendering (DRM, VAAPI, VDPAU):libdrm-*, libva*, vdpau-drivers, i965-va-driver

Nope, 5% performance increase isn't worth using the borked system.

I wonder what topic will you open next? Can we have someting involving cats, please?
User avatar
Wheelerof4te
 
Posts: 439
Joined: 2015-08-30 20:14

Re: boosting Stable with some testing packages

Postby bester69 » 2017-11-28 20:47

Wheelerof4te wrote:
bester69 wrote:mixing some controlled testing packages with stable and enjoy last codecs and performance??

Sure, it will truly be "last" performance you will get.

bester69 wrote:- Codecs Audio/Video: libav(ffmpeg codecs), libx264, libmpg*, AAC encoders

Nothing wrong with those in Stretch, last I checked they played everything flawlessly.

bester69 wrote:- Graphics Packages rendering (DRM, VAAPI, VDPAU):libdrm-*, libva*, vdpau-drivers, i965-va-driver

Nope, 5% performance increase isn't worth using the borked system.

I wonder what topic will you open next? Can we have someting involving cats, please?

I thought you were missing.. glad to see you back :D
User avatar
bester69
 
Posts: 985
Joined: 2015-04-02 13:15

Re: boosting Stable with some testing packages

Postby bester69 » 2017-11-28 20:54

pylkko wrote:hybrid testing/stable doesn't sound like a good idea considering that many (if not all) of the packages from testing can probably be built safely for stable. That is, if they are not already in the backports repository.

But you should always consider the additional amount of maintenance that will come with anything like this (or your FrakenDebian). Are those new features really worth the effort? When they are, you should consider it, but it is really easy to believe that they are when they just really aren't...

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976

Also, another thing.. You have said several times that you use some specific Ubuntu kernel, was it maybe 4.4. I don't know how good of an idea it is to use that with newer btrfs user space tools...

I think you can do anything it holds on, thats my final conclusion with linux, so many versions, you can mix everithing like a spanish salad as long as it works.. Thanks to god, we can use btrfs's snapshots, so the nightmares are over.. Yes im using 4.4.39 for so long, right now Im trying to move to ubuntu's 4.8 , the performance seems similar..

Im also holding some packages due to performance; they are:
linux-misc-firmware and xserver-xorg-core
User avatar
bester69
 
Posts: 985
Joined: 2015-04-02 13:15

Re: boosting Stable with some testing packages

Postby bw123 » 2017-11-28 21:21

Am i the only one that things its a good idea mixing some controlled testing packages with stable and enjoy last codecs and performance??


Thanks for this post. it's weird, I've actually thought of doing this the last week or so, and this thread has reminded me it's a bad idea.

we can use btrfs's snapshots, so the nightmares are over.


Well, for some people, having to repeatedly restore from backup or snapshot, *IS* the nightmare.
User avatar
bw123
 
Posts: 2462
Joined: 2011-05-09 06:02
Location: TN_USA

Re: boosting Stable with some testing packages

Postby bester69 » 2017-11-28 21:35

bw123 wrote:
Am i the only one that things its a good idea mixing some controlled testing packages with stable and enjoy last codecs and performance??


Thanks for this post. it's weird, I've actually thought of doing this the last week or so, and this thread has reminded me it's a bad idea.

we can use btrfs's snapshots, so the nightmares are over.


Well, for some people, having to repeatedly restore from backup or snapshot, *IS* the nightmare.


Restoring from a snapshot is such a nightmare like this:
Code: Select all
btrfs subvolume snapshot /./snapshots/1/snapshot newrootsys
mount -t btrfs -o subvol=newrootsys /dev/sda /mnt
mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/dev && mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc && mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys
chroot /mnt
grub-install /dev/sda && update-grub
reboot

I think in two minits you can restore a snapshot.. :roll:


BTRFS IS GOD!! 8)
User avatar
bester69
 
Posts: 985
Joined: 2015-04-02 13:15

Re: boosting Stable with some testing packages

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2017-11-28 21:51

bester69 wrote:I think in two minits you can restore a snapshot..

I'm baffled by the simplicity of it. [inserts 3 long terminal commands, chroots to /mnt, updates grub]
bester69 wrote:I thought you were missing.. glad to see you back

Thanks! Had to come back. Too many illadvised suggestions such as this one.
User avatar
Wheelerof4te
 
Posts: 439
Joined: 2015-08-30 20:14

Re: boosting Stable with some testing packages

Postby bw123 » 2017-11-28 22:46

bester69 wrote:
I think in two minits you can restore a snapshot..


I'm baffled by the simplicity of it. [inserts 3 long terminal commands, chroots to /mnt, updates grub]



The idea is interesting, I didn't say the *time involved was the nightmare, or it's difficulty level.

The whole idea of having a do-over, to an old guy like me, seems wrong. If you have situations monthly, weekly, daily or whatever where you need to 'go back' to a saved state, it seems to me that you are a really f'd up user (poor administrator). Now I know that is probably old-fashioned, but it just seems to me like my system that has functioned for weeks, months or years without needing to restore from backup is more reliable, or more stable. That may be an incorrect assumption, I'm not sure, it's just the way I was raised.

In the context of a frankendebian system I guess I can see how it would be very valuable. So if I was to pursue that kind of setup, I guess exploring btrfs snaphots would be a good idea.
User avatar
bw123
 
Posts: 2462
Joined: 2011-05-09 06:02
Location: TN_USA

Re: boosting Stable with some testing packages

Postby Bulkley » 2017-11-29 00:34

In Linux one can do almost anything if one has the skill and is willing to learn. Most of us don't and aren't. For me, my preference is to run my experiments in ~/user space if possible or in a VM. Either way there won't be any serious damage. I have, at times raided Testing or Sid for a package or two but I balk at bringing down a string of dependencies which can lead to all sorts of unexpected gifts. Of course, it is possible to bring down a source package and build it for your system. For the most part I prefer to leave the system alone; Debian Stable works well without mucking with it.

Mixing repositories is not a new thing. Debian does have documentation on AptPreferences and Pinning. There is this note of caution:
When pinning, you must ensure compatibility of packages by yourself since Debian does not guarantee it. Note that pinning is completely optional, and Debian does not encourage pinning without thorough consideration.


Good backup is mandatory before doing experiments. This forum is full of whinging from noobies who have messed up terribly and have no backup and no recourse but to reinstall.
Bulkley
 
Posts: 5365
Joined: 2006-02-11 18:35

Next

Return to Offtopic

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

fashionable