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DUF is (not) Debian
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DUF is (not) Debian
Updated on 7th of april, 2018th: I have changed the thread title. As for reasons, read the thread. Also, I've hid an easter egg for all of you anime fans out there
Dear DUF, due to the backward views of most of your members, I can only conclude with 99% certanty that a lot of members here are not really Debian users, at all. This does not come as a surprise to me, seeing the extreme anti-Debian stance taken by some prominent members of this forum. Please rename this forum to something more accurate, like "Devuan User Forums" or similar.
I can see why Debian has decided against hosting an official forum, opting for mailing lists instead. This forum is not endorsed by Debian developers. This forum is not Debian. It doesn't even have basic protection, it's insecure by design.
As we say in Serbia: "Mnogo ste vi zatucani, bre."
Thanks to more sane members, you do great things for Debian.
Bye and thanks for all the fish
Dear DUF, due to the backward views of most of your members, I can only conclude with 99% certanty that a lot of members here are not really Debian users, at all. This does not come as a surprise to me, seeing the extreme anti-Debian stance taken by some prominent members of this forum. Please rename this forum to something more accurate, like "Devuan User Forums" or similar.
I can see why Debian has decided against hosting an official forum, opting for mailing lists instead. This forum is not endorsed by Debian developers. This forum is not Debian. It doesn't even have basic protection, it's insecure by design.
As we say in Serbia: "Mnogo ste vi zatucani, bre."
Thanks to more sane members, you do great things for Debian.
Bye and thanks for all the fish
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Re: DUF is not Debian
99% certainty...WOW. When was that poll posted?
What security measures are missing in the forum?
What security measures are missing in the forum?
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Re: DUF is not Debian
Context, fwiw: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 82#p666081
HuangLao: I think he/she means the fact that this site uses http instead of https. (I pointed this out a few years ago in some long-forgotten thread.)
HuangLao: I think he/she means the fact that this site uses http instead of https. (I pointed this out a few years ago in some long-forgotten thread.)
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why do you need https on a forum site? there is nothing mission critical here, no CC#'s, no account numbers etc.... https being used everywhere is nonsense and overblown by the certificate selling community.n_hologram wrote:Context, fwiw: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 82#p666081
HuangLao: I think he/she means the fact that this site uses http instead of https. (I pointed this out a few years ago in some long-forgotten thread.)
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Re: DUF is not Debian
Please don't be coy: name some names.Wheelerof4te wrote:due to the backward views of most of your members
I'll go get some popcorn...
+1HuangLao wrote:https being used everywhere is nonsense and overblown by the certificate selling community
I just wish FF would stop ****ing nagging me about it
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Re: DUF is not Debian
LOL....Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Please don't be coy: name some names.Wheelerof4te wrote:due to the backward views of most of your members
I'll go get some popcorn...
+1HuangLao wrote:https being used everywhere is nonsense and overblown by the certificate selling community
I just wish FF would stop ****ing nagging me about it
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Re: DUF is not Debian
Well, the same as what I said in this thread 7 months ago,
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 72#p653052
The SSL thing, has been discussed several times in the Forum stuff & feedback section, ..............
As far as : DUF is not Debian goes,
We do try our best to keep it specific to Debian, in the help and support areas, "off topic" is another ball game, but after all said and done, it still is specific to Debian, that is why we suggest to Kali user, they use the kali forum, Linux mint, use the linux mint forum,.. and so on.
Sometimes I wonder my self, to me it (at times)seems to be mostly Windows users wanting to "play" Debian or Linux, I mean almost nobody is really only using Debian, and no other OS installed,... but any way, after all said and done, we do try to keep the forum mainly for people needing help with their Debian installation.
I am sorry it is not the "perfect" forum, no matter what, there will all ways be people that don't like something , for some reason,..... so any way, good luck where ever you go, if you really do go any where.
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 72#p653052
But one question, why say "goodbye", if you are not really going any where ?
Re: Saying goodbye thread
Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-08-26 15:54
Well, hope everything works out, and this forum will still be here, any time you decide to
return. Good luck.
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NEW toys are Fun
The SSL thing, has been discussed several times in the Forum stuff & feedback section, ..............
As far as : DUF is not Debian goes,
But it is NOT the Devuan user forum, it is Debian Users Forum, and most of the members that come here are asking for help with their Debian installation,... yes we do have some members that use Devuan, OpenBsd, Windows, and other OS's as well, Should we ban any body that is not using ONLY Debian ?Please rename this forum to something more accurate, like "Devuan User Forums" or similar.
We do try our best to keep it specific to Debian, in the help and support areas, "off topic" is another ball game, but after all said and done, it still is specific to Debian, that is why we suggest to Kali user, they use the kali forum, Linux mint, use the linux mint forum,.. and so on.
Sometimes I wonder my self, to me it (at times)seems to be mostly Windows users wanting to "play" Debian or Linux, I mean almost nobody is really only using Debian, and no other OS installed,... but any way, after all said and done, we do try to keep the forum mainly for people needing help with their Debian installation.
I am sorry it is not the "perfect" forum, no matter what, there will all ways be people that don't like something , for some reason,..... so any way, good luck where ever you go, if you really do go any where.
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Re: DUF is not Debian
I'm going to stay on Debian, but maybe go to it's MX Linux cousin. Didn't mean to offend BSD and Slackware users, just felt generally annoyed by rejection of some members of desktop simplifications.
BSD have their uses, and it's seen in server space. Slackware is for tinkers and Linux experts.
Anyway, here's more official Debian support:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/
BSD have their uses, and it's seen in server space. Slackware is for tinkers and Linux experts.
Anyway, here's more official Debian support:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/
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omg..the laughs keep coming...reddit is an official source now? What next lawyers quoting Wikipedia in their summaries?
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Re: DUF is not Debian
It is. Chris Lamb and other developers are frequent there. It's more official than this forum.
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There you go again...just let sleeping dogs lie man.... Slackware is not for tinkers or Linux experts its for people who see the benefit in Slackware's setup and philosophy, anyone can use it. BSD is used for more then servers...LOL.. This guy!Wheelerof4te wrote:I'm going to stay on Debian, but maybe go to it's MX Linux cousin. Didn't mean to offend BSD and Slackware users, just felt generally annoyed by rejection of some members for simplifications.
BSD have their uses, and it's seen in server space. Slackware is for tinkers and Linux experts.
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ROFL. I take it "backwards views" really means "don't agree with me". If you want more hugs, try the Ubuntu forums. I hear they're real friendly over there.Wheelerof4te wrote:Dear DUF, due to the backward views of most of your members, I can only conclude with 99% certanty that a lot of members here are not really Debian users, at all.
I expect the majority of users here do run Debian, and the is a pretty strict "on topic" vibe. Hell, even I have a Debian box around here somewhere.
Perhaps they don't have the same views on the direction the distro is taking as you do, but they're still users.
Citation needed. I've been around a while and I see no evidence of an "anti-debian stance" from anyone.Wheelerof4te wrote:This does not come as a surprise to me, seeing the extreme anti-Debian stance taken by some prominent members of this forum.
If you're concerned about the lack of SSL here, I assume you use the same password for your intenet banking? Either that or you don't grok the purpose of SSL...Wheelerof4te wrote:This forum is not Debian. It doesn't even have basic protection, it's insecure by design.
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. Four times is Official GNOME Policy.
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Re: DUF is not Debian
Duf is not Debian, it's beer. This place has always had the FDN acronym.
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Re: DUF is not Debian
Err, isn't that Duff?stevepusser wrote:Duf is not Debian, it's beer.
I thought Wheelerof4te was talking about debianuserforums.org (which would be DUF) for a minute, but then it would make no sense to post it here. Perhaps he's just confused.
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. Four times is Official GNOME Policy.
Re: DUF is not Debian
Very few of you were around when DUF was born out of the chaos on FDN. As a result there was a HUGE exodus from this forum of some of the most knowledgeable people. If you search "free cynwulf" or start here you will get quite an education. This forum has been going downhill ever since.
May the FORK be with you!
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Indeed. IIRC, I was running Arch at the time, so I missed the fun. Not by much though.golinux wrote:Very few of you were around when DUF was born out of the chaos on FDN.
I've watched many of the more knowledgeable and interesting personalities disappear from these boards since, even more so after the recent systemd debacle. The thread you mention is full of familiar names I haven't seen in years.
I'll probably hang about as long as I have one box that uses apt though, so long as the downward spiral doesn't steepen too dramatically.
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. Four times is Official GNOME Policy.
Re: DUF is not Debian
As I commented personally to dasein, just before that username disappeared.
I'm finding it difficult to find posters that I want to help.
Nuff said!
I'm finding it difficult to find posters that I want to help.
Nuff said!
Re: DUF is not Debian
Wheeler, I'm going to cut you some slack [haha, geddit?]. I agree with you largely. But systemd is such a contentious issue that I imagine it will always be part of discussion here.
I would just encourage you not to make any 'goodbye' threads since one can never be certain that one will not return.
Anyway, this topic isn't about Slackware. More to the point:
I would just encourage you not to make any 'goodbye' threads since one can never be certain that one will not return.
dasein is sorely missed.Thorny wrote:As I commented personally to dasein
And I thought it was just me.Thorny wrote:I'm finding it difficult to find posters that I want to help.
Well, it's not for experts but I would agree it is for tinkerers. It does need, I would say, considerably more maintenance than Debian [stable, anyway]. Appropriately, I will quote something dasein said to me about it:HuangLao wrote:There you go again...just let sleeping dogs lie man.... Slackware is not for tinkers or Linux experts its for people who see the benefit in Slackware's setup and philosophy, anyone can use it.
Though I imagine as time goes on its maintenance will become second-nature to me [note to self - must upgrade kernel to 4.4.115].Slack has a very specific focus, and it's not ease-of-use.
Anyway, this topic isn't about Slackware. More to the point:
I think you mean the Mint forums. They're very huggy down that way. Most [NB: 'most' may be an exaggeration] posts on the Mint forums are just people saying, "yay I left Windows, go me!" etc.steve_v wrote: If you want more hugs, try the Ubuntu forums. I hear they're real friendly over there.
The word 'exodus' already implies [actually, expresses] a large quantity.golinux wrote:there was a HUGE exodus from this forum
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Chuckle! Not by everyone, some had him "foed" if that is a word I can use.Lysander wrote:dasein is sorely missed.
Thorny wrote:I'm finding it difficult to find posters that I want to help.
Chuckle again!Lysander wrote:And I thought it was just me.
Yes, yes, yes, I want more hugs and pets and bulletproof step-by-steps. I have a silver spoon, please spoon feed me because I deserve it.steve_v wrote: If you want more hugs, try the Ubuntu forums. I hear they're real friendly over there.
[edit] And censure those posters who are not nice to me.
golinux wrote:there was a HUGE exodus from this forum
There were some "lively" discussions. Personally I just lurked.Lysander wrote:The word 'exodus' already implies [actually, expresses] a large quantity.
Glad to see you post here again, "admiral", you have a brain.
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Re: DUF is not Debian
Lol I completely forgot about that. I knew my deja-vu meant something.GarryRicketson wrote:Well, the same as what I said in this thread 7 months ago,
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 72#p653052
Interesting how the conversation has changed since then, though -- specifically, how this goodbye thread is based on the complete opposite premise as the one from awhile ago...
Earlier this year, wheelerof4te, OP of this thread, wrote:And frankly, I don't care about the future of Debian or any other GNU/Linux distro anymore. I had my cup of coffee...with them, and now I want out.
And also:
We might notice some obvious contradictions with the original post in this new goodbye thread, including (but not limited to):Time will tell which OS will survive and which will fade into oblivion. I also want to thank developers of Debian 7 Wheezy for creating the last good GNU/Linux OS, your wonderful creation had served me well for some time. Never again will there be another one like it, and I'm sad it's gonna be EOL next year. And this will sound harsh, but someone needs to say it nevertheless. Since Ian's death, this OS has went under and it's getting worse with each new release. Without it's creator to guide Debian, I fear it won't last long in The OS Swamp with so many crocodiles.
Is this not the same anti-Debian stance taken in your original leaving thread? If not, please explain. At the least, I guess I'm glad you had a change of heart?Yesterday, the same user wrote:This does not come as a surprise to me, seeing the extreme anti-Debian stance taken by some prominent members of this forum.
I'm sure we do think the same, but probably not for the same reasons -- hence why derivatives exist. I saw that you're considering switching to MX; it's a solid distro as well. It's made possible because of user choice.These are my honest thoughts, and I believe there are others who think the same.
Freedom to choose is key.
(Final Edit, I swear) I do still think your intentions are more-or-less pure, and you seem to want to help new Linux members. Why not start a blog or something that's targeted towards new Linux users?
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