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DUF is (not) Debian

PostPosted: 2018-02-06 19:45
by Wheelerof4te
Updated on 7th of april, 2018th: I have changed the thread title. As for reasons, read the thread. Also, I've hid an easter egg for all of you anime fans out there :)

Dear DUF, due to the backward views of most of your members, I can only conclude with 99% certanty that a lot of members here are not really Debian users, at all. This does not come as a surprise to me, seeing the extreme anti-Debian stance taken by some prominent members of this forum. Please rename this forum to something more accurate, like "Devuan User Forums" or similar.

I can see why Debian has decided against hosting an official forum, opting for mailing lists instead. This forum is not endorsed by Debian developers. This forum is not Debian. It doesn't even have basic protection, it's insecure by design.
As we say in Serbia: "Mnogo ste vi zatucani, bre."
Thanks to more sane members, you do great things for Debian.
Bye and thanks for all the fish :D

Re: DUF is not Debian

PostPosted: 2018-02-06 19:49
by HuangLao
99% certainty...WOW. When was that poll posted?

What security measures are missing in the forum?

Re: DUF is not Debian

PostPosted: 2018-02-06 19:49
by n_hologram
Context, fwiw: viewtopic.php?f=20&p=666082#p666081
HuangLao: I think he/she means the fact that this site uses http instead of https. (I pointed this out a few years ago in some long-forgotten thread.)

Re: DUF is not Debian

PostPosted: 2018-02-06 19:55
by HuangLao
n_hologram wrote:Context, fwiw: viewtopic.php?f=20&p=666082#p666081
HuangLao: I think he/she means the fact that this site uses http instead of https. (I pointed this out a few years ago in some long-forgotten thread.)


why do you need https on a forum site? there is nothing mission critical here, no CC#'s, no account numbers etc.... https being used everywhere is nonsense and overblown by the certificate selling community.

Re: DUF is not Debian

PostPosted: 2018-02-06 20:00
by Head_on_a_Stick
Wheelerof4te wrote:due to the backward views of most of your members

Please don't be coy: name some names.

I'll go get some popcorn...

HuangLao wrote:https being used everywhere is nonsense and overblown by the certificate selling community

+1

I just wish FF would stop ****ing nagging me about it :roll:

Re: DUF is not Debian

PostPosted: 2018-02-06 20:07
by HuangLao
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Wheelerof4te wrote:due to the backward views of most of your members

Please don't be coy: name some names.

I'll go get some popcorn...

HuangLao wrote:https being used everywhere is nonsense and overblown by the certificate selling community

+1

I just wish FF would stop ****ing nagging me about it :roll:


LOL....

Re: DUF is not Debian

PostPosted: 2018-02-06 20:11
by GarryRicketson
Well, the same as what I said in this thread 7 months ago,
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=134449&p=652972#p653052

Re: Saying goodbye thread

Postby GarryRicketson ยป 2017-08-26 15:54
Well, hope everything works out, and this forum will still be here, any time you decide to
return. Good luck.

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NEW toys are Fun

But one question, why say "goodbye", if you are not really going any where ?
The SSL thing, has been discussed several times in the Forum stuff & feedback section, ..............
As far as : DUF is not Debian goes,
Please rename this forum to something more accurate, like "Devuan User Forums" or similar.

But it is NOT the Devuan user forum, it is Debian Users Forum, and most of the members that come here are asking for help with their Debian installation,... yes we do have some members that use Devuan, OpenBsd, Windows, and other OS's as well, Should we ban any body that is not using ONLY Debian ?
We do try our best to keep it specific to Debian, in the help and support areas, "off topic" is another ball game, but after all said and done, it still is specific to Debian, that is why we suggest to Kali user, they use the kali forum, Linux mint, use the linux mint forum,.. and so on.
Sometimes I wonder my self, to me it (at times)seems to be mostly Windows users wanting to "play" Debian or Linux, I mean almost nobody is really only using Debian, and no other OS installed,... but any way, after all said and done, we do try to keep the forum mainly for people needing help with their Debian installation.
I am sorry it is not the "perfect" forum, no matter what, there will all ways be people that don't like something , for some reason,..... so any way, good luck where ever you go, if you really do go any where.

Re: DUF is not Debian

PostPosted: 2018-02-06 20:21
by Wheelerof4te
I'm going to stay on Debian, but maybe go to it's MX Linux cousin. Didn't mean to offend BSD and Slackware users, just felt generally annoyed by rejection of some members of desktop simplifications.
BSD have their uses, and it's seen in server space. Slackware is for tinkers and Linux experts.
Anyway, here's more official Debian support:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/

Re: DUF is not Debian

PostPosted: 2018-02-06 20:23
by HuangLao
omg..the laughs keep coming...reddit is an official source now? What next lawyers quoting Wikipedia in their summaries?

Re: DUF is not Debian

PostPosted: 2018-02-06 20:25
by Wheelerof4te
It is. Chris Lamb and other developers are frequent there. It's more official than this forum.

Re: DUF is not Debian

PostPosted: 2018-02-06 20:25
by HuangLao
Wheelerof4te wrote:I'm going to stay on Debian, but maybe go to it's MX Linux cousin. Didn't mean to offend BSD and Slackware users, just felt generally annoyed by rejection of some members for simplifications.
BSD have their uses, and it's seen in server space. Slackware is for tinkers and Linux experts.
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There you go again...just let sleeping dogs lie man.... Slackware is not for tinkers or Linux experts its for people who see the benefit in Slackware's setup and philosophy, anyone can use it. BSD is used for more then servers...LOL.. This guy! :mrgreen:

Re: DUF is not Debian

PostPosted: 2018-02-06 22:40
by steve_v
Wheelerof4te wrote:Dear DUF, due to the backward views of most of your members, I can only conclude with 99% certanty that a lot of members here are not really Debian users, at all.
ROFL. I take it "backwards views" really means "don't agree with me". If you want more hugs, try the Ubuntu forums. I hear they're real friendly over there.

I expect the majority of users here do run Debian, and the is a pretty strict "on topic" vibe. Hell, even I have a Debian box around here somewhere.
Perhaps they don't have the same views on the direction the distro is taking as you do, but they're still users.

Wheelerof4te wrote:This does not come as a surprise to me, seeing the extreme anti-Debian stance taken by some prominent members of this forum.
Citation needed. I've been around a while and I see no evidence of an "anti-debian stance" from anyone.

Wheelerof4te wrote:This forum is not Debian. It doesn't even have basic protection, it's insecure by design.
If you're concerned about the lack of SSL here, I assume you use the same password for your intenet banking? Either that or you don't grok the purpose of SSL...

Re: DUF is not Debian

PostPosted: 2018-02-07 04:01
by stevepusser
Duf is not Debian, it's beer. :) This place has always had the FDN acronym.

Re: DUF is not Debian

PostPosted: 2018-02-07 04:13
by steve_v
stevepusser wrote:Duf is not Debian, it's beer.

Err, isn't that Duff?
I thought Wheelerof4te was talking about debianuserforums.org (which would be DUF) for a minute, but then it would make no sense to post it here. Perhaps he's just confused.

Re: DUF is not Debian

PostPosted: 2018-02-07 04:40
by golinux
Very few of you were around when DUF was born out of the chaos on FDN. As a result there was a HUGE exodus from this forum of some of the most knowledgeable people. If you search "free cynwulf" or start here you will get quite an education. This forum has been going downhill ever since.