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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby pawRoot » 2018-03-23 16:53

None1975 wrote:
Lysander wrote:The BBC has a highly left wing agenda, and a browse of its News site for more than five minutes will make this exceedingly obvious.

You think that BBC is from left wing, and maybe you think that UK is a socialist country? This is the greatest nonsense that I've read. BBC reflects the interests of capitalists. Neither more nor less.


Of course it is leftist agenda.
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby None1975 » 2018-03-23 18:06

Wheelerof4te wrote:[quote="None1975"Neo-liberals and neo-cons appeared to be rivals, but they worked hand-in-hand for decades.

They are all from one camp-from the capitalist camp. Even more. I call them the custodians of the current formation.
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby None1975 » 2018-03-23 18:09

pawRoot wrote:Of course it is leftist agenda.

Maybe....
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby oswaldkelso » 2018-03-23 18:13

The BBC trust funded an independent study to see if there was any political bias in the BBC.
Overall across all it's services it was found to have right-wing bias. Feel free to read it and make your own minds up.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/ass ... alysis.pdf
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby n_hologram » 2018-03-23 18:51

oswaldkelso wrote:The BBC trust funded an independent study to see if there was any political bias in the BBC.
Overall across all it's services it was found to have right-wing bias. Feel free to read it and make your own minds up.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/ass ... alysis.pdf

Whatever its bias, it's still a breath of fresh air compared to American demagogues like Fox and CNN (not even going to catalog the laundry list of online "news" sites).
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2018-03-23 19:40

Elon Musk just deleted the Facebook pages for Tesla and SpaceX:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/977209817012977665
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby Bulkley » 2018-03-23 21:28

Wheelerof4te wrote:
None1975 wrote:BBC reflects the interests of capitalists. Neither more nor less.

It reflects the interests of neo-liberals, which is a common name given to people who believe in maximum individual freedoms, and money above else.


You may be confusing neo-liberals with libertarians. Neo-liberal is an economic term; think greed. Neo-cons are basically social conservatives. Libertarians do want maximum freedom and very little responsibility. These are generalities and not perfect.

Personally, I want freedom to run Linux and set up my computer the way I like it. :)
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby kedaha » 2018-03-23 21:51

If Clinton were now the President in the White House and Cameron had won the referendum and the UK were heading for full integration in the European Union, no one would give a damn about Cambridge Analytica or the Russians or whoever. The other lot, the Open Society Foundations inter alia, would have full sway. Cambridge Analytica is now being cracked up to have played a decisive role in both the election of Trump and Brexit to cast aspersions on both.
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby pawRoot » 2018-03-24 02:45

oswaldkelso wrote:The BBC trust funded an independent study to see if there was any political bias in the BBC.
Overall across all it's services it was found to have right-wing bias. Feel free to read it and make your own minds up.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/ass ... alysis.pdf


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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby alan stone » 2018-03-24 06:11

Wheelerof4te wrote:Elon Musk just deleted the Facebook pages for Tesla and SpaceX:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/977209817012977665

One small step for a small man (*): deleting the FB account and app, as well as from similar companies.

On big step for man-kind would be to delete the company, as well as similar companies.

It's showtime!: part 1, part 2. :lol:

(*) He's part of the predatory and crony capitalist gang.
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby debiman » 2018-03-24 08:26

when i revealed the actual radio stations i'm listening to, i already knew it would only throw fuel on offtopic discussions.
interestingly nobody
a) commented on deutschlandfunk which i listed first for a reason
b) remembered that my whole point was: get news from more than just one source

i am sorry i cannot say more about those american stations; i got the streaming links from the Xiph directory, and they seem to be filling up empty time with streams from other stations, it's all very confusing.

anyhow, it all sounds like some people are trying to say "because you listen to the wrong station, this didn't actually happen" which i think is complete bullshit. if you want to discuss the political agendas of various online news sources, please open a new thread for that, it has very little to do with the topic at hand.

and btw, this topic is NOT about trump. most of the news coverage i heard & saw clearly states that Cambridge Analytica were involved in several elections in several countries & continents, for many years. which is a big part of the continuing outrage.

also i apologize to US american citizens: i am very interested when congress passes a law that further hampers your online freedom, and i know that indirectly this concerns me too, but ultimately
a) i cannot do anything about it (no really, i cannot sign a petition via eff.org)
b) i pay more attention to what happens in the EU
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby Lysander » 2018-03-24 10:18

debiman wrote:b) remembered that my whole point was: get news from more than just one source


I've done the same for years, the importance of reading around was recommended to me by an ex-girlfriend [a staunch Communist even though I considered myself right wing at the time, we had interesting 'discussions']. She worded it, "it's important to know what the other side is saying". I now read the BBC, the Telegraph, Takimag, the Guardian, Al Jazeera and Worker's Hammer [they give it away outside my uni] among others. I then draw my own conclusions. I find that people who read only one source have a very skewed view of the world.
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby bw123 » 2018-03-24 14:45

So let's say a neighborhood has a place where the community all posts info about themselves, for whatever reason. The door is not locked, and I get into it. If I go to that community center and gather that info, and go around door-to-door trying to sell a broom or cleaning products to all the homes with ladies, am I breaking the law? What If I wanted to sell toys to all the houses with children? Would it only be illegal if I want to distribute political literature to homes with adult voting age males with brown hair?

edit: or bad toupees or combovers...

Why would it matter if I was a Russian, or a white boy from Kalamazoo? Political speech is either allowed or it's not. I don't see how you can split hairs over who is allowed, or what speech is allowed by content?
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby debiman » 2018-03-25 09:35

bw123, if you disagree with the law suit thingymagicks currently being filed/launched against CA and FB, in both the UK and USA afaik, and for several breaches of current law, i suggest you take it up with the powers that be to protest against these laws, and for CA's and FB's innocence.
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby Fernando Negro » 2018-04-06 07:59

debiman wrote:this is only one of many icebergs of which we only see the tip.

You bet it is...

(Concerning only two of the bigger icebergs,)

1) Facebook is a CIA front company (https://web.archive.org/web/20120524105 ... a-y-darpa/) and even has Nazis behind it (http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/audios/radi ... ok/885357/). Its officials admittedly want to end Privacy on the Internet (https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/com ... -anonymity). And, if you all want to know what these officials think of the people using it, you need to go no further than reading what Mr Zuckerberg once said: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/14 ... rust_dumb/

2) Google is another CIA/NSA front company (https://www.prisonplanet.com/group-call ... d-nsa.html + https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence ... 36451a959e). (Who doesn't use Gmail, Android smartphones...)

(And, concerning the whole sea that we're navigating in,)

3) The Internet, itself, was a creation of the US government. And, the ultimate purpose of this invention is to spy on everybody (https://www.c-span.org/video/?440695-1/ ... nce-valley). Having for that same purpose been previously built an electronic Big Brother, that pays attention to (and records) everything that happens on this network (https://trisquel.info/en/forum/big-brot ... d-software + https://twitter.com/BlackFerdyPT/status ... 4950077440).

(Also, concerning the computers that most people, in developed countries, nowadays use,)

4) Almost every computer being sold, for years now, comes with a backdoor inside of it, from where it can be surveilled/controlled, in a way undetectable by the operating system being used (https://libreboot.org/faq.html#intel).

(So, the only real way to have Privacy, nowadays, is to *not* use computers connected to the Internet...)
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