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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby debiman » 2018-03-22 17:34

bw123 wrote:I like to try and understand, that's all. No, I don't think this is FUD, but I am always suspicious when the wolves and billionaires attack each other openly in the press.
of course the investigations into trump's campaigns kicked loose some stones, but i'd like to think that christopher wylie's contributions made it an avalanche.
he said his reason for coming forward with this years after he left the company were seeing how trump won the election and knowing that cambridge analytica's questionable practices had a strong role in that.

I used to like talk radio myself, but gave it up because all they do now is talk about what they read on the internet, and heck I can read.
one of the stations i listen to is deutschlandradio which has its roots in global, german-language broadcasts on shortwave radio. i have deep respect for their journalism, and i like that they do not lean in my direction politically.
another is the bbc world service , and then there's two random US american stations.

I still don;t see what was the crime?

a few thousand (30.000 iirc) users of an app agreed to hand all their facebook data to some company affiliated with cambridge analytica, for a few bucks.
through that, CA gained access to all their friends (and friends' friends?) data, too, resulting in a 50 million facebook users data breach.
paid for by steve bannon i think, all this was used to create advertising, fake content - fearmongering - to make people vote for trump.
the data breach is the crime that cambridge analytica willl have to answer for, and also facebook/zuckerberg (i heard a very lame excuse today: he/they knew about it, but thought that CA would delete this data).
i really hope they won't manage to look like the good guys in this one.
shares are still plumetting, nyah nyah nyah.

US bigshots are questioning why certain laws about election campaigning advertisment do not apply to facebook ads, and that they should. amongst other things, i'd like to add.
i'm pretty sure that in europe there's more coming by way of regulations and fines ("up to 4% of the company's global income" is a phrase i heard).

again, don't take my word for it, find a few sources of information (it's the age of the internet godammit) and try to get a fairly objective picture.
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby n_hologram » 2018-03-22 18:24

debiman wrote:two random US american stations.

Which two?
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby pawRoot » 2018-03-22 21:09

debiman wrote:another is the bbc world service


Is there something worse than BBC and CNN ?
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby Lysander » 2018-03-22 21:32

pawRoot wrote:
debiman wrote:another is the bbc world service


Is there something worse than BBC and CNN ?


The BBC has a highly left wing agenda, and a browse of its News site for more than five minutes will make this exceedingly obvious. There is nothing wrong with having a left or right wing agenda per se, but a shameless, extreme tilting in either direction casts a distorted view of reality. The BBC's articles are little more than sensationalist clickbait, it is no longer a site relating accurate and unbiased news reportage, it is purely interested in high traffic. I can't speak for the World Service since I don't listen to it; I hope it has escaped this fate but my inkling is that it hasn't.

If you want a relatively unbiased, non-sensationalist news site/channel the best I could recommend would be Al Jazeera. Bias in news is pretty much a given, but they seem to be the more neutral end of the sliding scale.
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby pawRoot » 2018-03-22 22:09

Lysander wrote: Al Jazeera. Bias in news is pretty much a given, but they seem to be the more neutral end of the sliding scale.


No pleaseeeee, Al Jazeera is full of propaganda aswell, same for RT.
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby Lysander » 2018-03-22 22:19

pawRoot wrote:
Lysander wrote: Al Jazeera. Bias in news is pretty much a given, but they seem to be the more neutral end of the sliding scale.


No pleaseeeee, Al Jazeera is full of propaganda aswell, same for RT.


I think "full of propaganda" is being rather generous. As I say, it's a sliding scale with AJ being far more neutral than others.

Care to enlighten us as to your personal preference[s]?
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby oswaldkelso » 2018-03-22 22:33

Whilst the BBC web news and TV news is pretty crap and catering for people that like headlines. I've always found the BBC web new far to right wing for my tastes and the comments section even worse. On the other hand The world service and BBC radio 4 is very balanced, informative and thorough. They have to be as they never know which party will be in government next and what they'll do about their funding.

Whilst I'm sure I could list reams of worse places to get the news. I'd be really interested in knowing better places to get real, as unbiased as possible news.

I've never had a facebook account nor a TV for the best part of 30 years so I get my news from the aforementioned BBC radio channels, Democracy Now, and Aljazira English online. That said my main source of news is "The Guardian". Not because it reflects my own political leanings but because it's owned in trust rather than by some money making mogul. I've also noted it seems to just report the news, even views I don't particularly want to hear! I actually find some of the best information in the comments section of their articles.

The only actual "Paper" I buy is Private eye. They take no prisoners and take the piss out of everyone no matter what.
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby pawRoot » 2018-03-22 23:29

Lysander wrote:I think "full of propaganda" is being rather generous.


I saw some of their videos and said never again.

Lysander wrote:Care to enlighten us as to your personal preference[s]?


I don't really have any preferences, i just read articles on multiple websites and try to filter
information.
Most of the media is now leftist propaganda basically, anti-white, pro israel etc etc...
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby bw123 » 2018-03-23 13:41

oswaldkelso wrote:<snip>
Whilst I'm sure I could list reams of worse places to get the news. I'd be really interested in knowing better places to get real, as unbiased as possible news.
<snip>


I'd be satisfied with biased news if it was timely, lately I only get informed after the fact. This is about a bill that passed two days ago, I never heard of it and I follow quite a few mainstream and alternative sources.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/h ... d-internet

EDIT: Here's another, passed yesterday, signed into law about an hour ago.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/03/r ... act-passes

P.s. twitter, facebook, and google+ links are included on the eff pages.
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby None1975 » 2018-03-23 15:19

Lysander wrote:The BBC has a highly left wing agenda, and a browse of its News site for more than five minutes will make this exceedingly obvious.

You think that BBC is from left wing, and maybe you think that UK is a socialist country? This is the greatest nonsense that I've read. BBC reflects the interests of capitalists. Neither more nor less.
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby n_hologram » 2018-03-23 15:35

None1975 wrote:This is the greatest nonsense that I've read.

If THAT'S your standard for nonsense, you need to watch some Alex Jones videos.
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby alan stone » 2018-03-23 15:44

bw123 wrote:
debiman wrote:
I've been working to understand exactly what happened and how to make sure this doesn't happen again. The good news is that the most important actions to prevent this from happening again today we have already taken years ago.
idk wtf that's even supposed to mean.
according to various articles facebook knew exactly what cambridge analytica (amongst others, i presume) were doing, and decided to turn a blind eye.
of course now this is all going south, they are more than willing to turn on their former partners in crime.


1) what exactly "happened?"
2) what exactly do we want to "prevent from happening again?"

The issues are explained in detail here.

The conclusion: "...the problem can only be fixed legislatively or if all of said firms are driven out of business due to mass-revulsion by the people -- either way the only fix is if pulling this crap is an instant corporate death sentence right here, right now."

Hence I correct what I wrote earlier... both are necessary to fix this.
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby pcalvert » 2018-03-23 15:57

bw123 wrote:1) what exactly "happened?"
2) what exactly do we want to "prevent from happening again?"
3) what exactly do you mean by "...facebook knew exactly what cambridge analytica (amongst others, i presume) were doing?"
4) what do you mean by, "...facebook... decided to turn a blind eye?" BLIND EYE ABOUT WHAT?
5) What crime was commited that they are, "...willing to turn on their former partners in crime?"

I'm not a lawyer, but you can't just acccuse people of crimes, can you? I am not fan of facebook, I have never used it, but this is insane. Check the logic.

Another question I would add is this:
6) How is it different from Facebook sharing their data with the Obama campaign in 2012 (and earlier)?
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2018-03-23 16:03

None1975 wrote:BBC reflects the interests of capitalists. Neither more nor less.

It reflects the interests of neo-liberals, which is a common name given to people who believe in maximum individual freedoms, and money above else. These people can buy others and will be bought for whatever purpose that promotes their ideal. They are also called "economical hitmen", since they will use their wealth to bribe and subvert entire countries.
Other extreme is neo-conservative, or neocon ideology. These people are more right-wing and conservative, but also believe in their superiority and wealth. They will use any means neccesary, including military power, to push their agenda. They are often firm, fanatical believers. If neo-liberals fail, these guys will go in and do the job with brute force.

Neo-liberals and neo-cons appeared to be rivals, but they worked hand-in-hand for decades. And they supplemented each other perfectly.
Until now. Now they are at each-other's throats.
Now, what does this have to do with Facebook? Well, Facebook and its founder are obviously neo-liberal stooges. So is most of the media in US and UK. Trump and most of his team are neo-con. You do the math.
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Re: Cambridge Analytica

Postby bw123 » 2018-03-23 16:15

alan stone wrote:The issues are explained in detail here.

The conclusion: "...the problem can only be fixed legislatively or if all of said firms are driven out of business due to mass-revulsion by the people -- either way the only fix is if pulling this crap is an instant corporate death sentence right here, right now."

Hence I correct what I wrote earlier... both are necessary to fix this.


This link above is a brilliant explanation. I snagged some beef ribs the other day and smoked them up on the grill, then after gnawing a few thought I'd make some soup out of the bones. I looked up bone soup on the net and hit several of the big recipe sites. Turned out good! and by gawd this morning on google news page there is an "editor's pick" link to an article about people who like bone broth. Also on the same page a link in "health" about how grilling meat causes cancer. I have cookies and javascript ublocked/noscript (isn't really the same as disabled), I never sign into anything, and I wondered, "How they did that?"

The problem with legislation for me, at least here in the US, is our politicians are idiots, and aren't competent to do this work. For instance the whole "digital TV" fiasco that spent 40Billion on advertising and got us a broadcast signal that is too close to the 4G band to be reliable. The media made a fortune, the people got screwed.
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