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What do you use to check the performance of different kernels? Exactly how are the Ubuntu kernels better than Debian kernels?
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I read a lot of things, it doesn't make them true. Got any objective benchmarks?bester69 wrote:I read someplace ubuntu's kernel is the same as debian kernel with some tunning..
A kernel is unlikely to break anything... until the DKMS packages you need to compile against it get out of sync, or you pull in a rare kernel that has userspace-breaking API changes. It's probably fine for a desktop, but on a machine that needs to work all the time (like a production server), it would be inviting disaster.bester69 wrote:Ive installed and testing a lot of ubuntu's kernels in debian and all of them worked fine, so in my own experience and for my purposes theyre totally compatible, at least in debian's direction.
If you want to micromanage a bunch of libraries that may break unexpectedly when things they link against get upgraded, fall behind, or don't exist in the debian packages, sure.bester69 wrote:As you should know some packages doesnt affect the base of the system, they are very bounded. You can install libavcodec from other distros, and it will only affect that part of the system, the dependcyies are very controlled, so your system keep being a debian Stable. Can you see the point?
Personally, I think this kind of defeats the purpose of running stable - namely peace of mind that nothing is going to require manual intervention if you turn on automatic updates for a server in Timbuktu that you can only physically visit once a year.
Again, it's probably fine for a desktop. Everyone has their own tolerance for random breakage and micromanagement.
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But it's the "Debian kernel" with some fine-tuning. Who wouldn't want some of that? Ubuntu is 'effectively' Debian GTI, after all.steve_v wrote:I read a lot of things, it doesn't make them true. Got any objective benchmarks?bester69 wrote:I read someplace ubuntu's kernel is the same as debian kernel with some tunning..
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Its very easy to rollback and drop those dbo packages when they are just a few ones, You only need to ask to aptitude what option to choose in order to downgrade back those packages. Ive never broken anything since years, so I again will defend there's nothong wrong with using some few foreign controlled packages in the stable debian, that wont change anything.wizard10000 wrote:I had a deb-multimedia library offer to break Sid more than a year after I installed it.steve_v wrote:If you want to micromanage a bunch of libraries that may break unexpectedly when things they link against get upgraded, fall behind, or don't exist in the debian packages, sure.
But my best advice, is procced with btrfs tested snapshots of the stable system. Thanks to btrfs snapshots ive never had to reinstall debian again, tou can do anything and rollback in a minit.
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Normally, You can feel if it performance worse with your own senses, and normally is more or less the same performance (no appreciable differences) , so you upgrade as you'll get a better one. I was stuck in ubuntu's 4.4.39 and couldnt upgrade cos the Opera browser i used, went slower responsive or/and laggy. from 4.4.125 on (last i tested) i see that issue has vanished, and thought "Meltdown and Spectre" downgrade patch are by now applied I cant nearly sense that cpu's lost performance. So I upgraded kernel to last one 4.4.x.sunrat wrote:What do you use to check the performance of different kernels? Exactly how are the Ubuntu kernels better than Debian kernels?
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Like I said, micromanagement. With stable packages nothing breaks in the first place, and you don't have to aptitude anything.bester69 wrote:You only need to ask to aptitude what option to choose in order to downgrade back those packages.
So no quantifiable reason for the Ubuntu kernel then, just some vague "feels".bester69 wrote:You can feel if it performance worse with your own senses
If you bothered to benchmark this stuff, you'd see a very measurable performance penalty from the FUCKWIT patches.bester69 wrote:"Meltdown and Spectre" downgrade patch are by now applied I cant nearly sense that cpu's lost performance.
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