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#21 Post by llivv »

I know the struggle you mention as I also stuggle with the words to use..
I wished I'd been a LOT less non chalant with my original post to this thread,
when my thorughts were actually closer to the my post just above.
Yet, the words did not come out the way I wanted them too back than.
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#22 Post by Lysander »

Bumping this topic in memoriam.

This coming Saturday it will be exactly one year since I heard anything from dasein. His last email was sent on 29th December 2017. After this, he disappeared after a long history of ill health. As stated earlier, there is no absolute proof that he has passed away - and we will never have that - but all indications point to the fact that he has.

I am adding to this topic in the cause of keeping dasein's memory alive and with respect to the huge amount of assistance he gave to this community. After conversing with many other Linux community members over the last few months I am still of the opinion that his intellect was far in advance of the large majority of computer users one meets on the internet that he was one of the greatest minds that I have ever had the fortune to converse with. This is made all the more interesting since he commented that in recent years his brain was operating "at a fraction of its former capacity".

I was thinking of sharing some of his words here, but nothing came naturally. There is a wealth of his contributions already on this forum, so there is little need. His absence shows that one knowledgeable member is worth a hundred sub-par ones. I occasionally come to lurk here at FDN and I notice that the quality of advice here is not what it once was.

I hope you are all having a good Yuletide and that your computing projects are going educationally and satisfactorily.
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#23 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

Lysander wrote:I was thinking of sharing some of his words here
His last post on these boards was in his usual style:
dasein wrote:Do you want a technically accurate answer? Or are you willing to settle for an answer someone just pulled out of their ass?
Awesome or what? :mrgreen:

And I fondly remember the *many* times he criticised me for doing searches for strangers, and our Windows EULA disagreement (which I lost): lots of happy memories :)

EDIT: here's the EULA thread: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=123346

I think we should all ask ourselves when presented with a new thread: what would dasein do?
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#24 Post by Lysander »

Head_on_a_Stick wrote: His last post on these boards was in his usual style:
dasein wrote:Do you want a technically accurate answer? Or are you willing to settle for an answer someone just pulled out of their ass?
Awesome or what? :mrgreen:
That quote really shows his feelings towards what this forum had become. You omitted his final knife-twist in that comment: "I trust my point is obvious, even to you".
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:And I fondly remember the *many* times he criticised me for doing searches for strangers
This is something I do a lot these days. Maybe I should rethink that strategy.
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:I think we should all ask ourselves when presented with a new thread: what would dasein do?
Probably tell the user to spend a good hour searching and sort the problem out for themselves. It's what I do these days unless I'm totally stuck. The last words in his final email really sum up his mission in educating Linux users:
Well, no one can be an expert on everything, but yes, I firmly believe that developing one's own expertise is an inherently worthwhile thing, doubly so as regards "fundamentals."

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#25 Post by golinux »

Thank you for this thread Lysander. Despite the fact that I occasionally link to one of dasein's oeuvres here, he is not much at the forefront of my thoughts as he was a year ago. Yes, this forum is a shell of what it once was. Have you ever dropped by the Devuan forum? The quality is mostly very high and creative. That's what tinkerers do.
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#26 Post by xepan »

On a sidenote: Not everyone thinks good of him.
A typical answer was either a link to google or a manpage. Not that great, really. A monkey could do that.

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#27 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

xepan wrote:A typical answer was either a link to google or a manpage. Not that great, really. A monkey could do that.
Well, a link to LMGTFY would usually indicate that the poster should have searched first because the question being asked has already been answered *many* times before and repeating it here would be pointless.

And a man page link can be very useful, I do that myself from time to time.

I would suppose that the relative frequency of the boilerplate replies was directly related to the quality of the OP but I haven't conducted a formal study :mrgreen:
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#28 Post by xepan »

can be, can not be, but it sure doesn't make the one who does look outstanding smart.
I was never that sure if he was running debian at all.

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xepan wrote:can be, can not be, but it sure doesn't make the one who does look outstanding smart.
I was never that sure if he was running debian at all.
So says the one who registered here 2018-11-28 just a month ago, knows nothing of this forum and is barely out of diapers. You may have the arrogance but no credibility to dump on dasein.
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#30 Post by xepan »

You may have the arrogance but no credibility to dump on dasein
That is correct, but it is ||, not &&. Lucky me.

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#31 Post by alan stone »

xepan wrote:On a sidenote: Not everyone thinks good of him.
I'm quite sure he was the least concerned about that. And rightly so.

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#32 Post by llivv »

alan stone wrote:I'm quite sure he was the least concerned about that. And rightly so.
hi alan dasein and I had a short exchange concerning that at the beginning of our tenure here (more like fiveyear instead of tenure) since dasein thought our forum styles were different, but I digress.
I think you are correct in assuming he was not concerned about his posting style nor mine, as I was not concerned regarding his style. But we both knew it so it made for an interesting dichotomy here for a few years, anyways...
I hope if he see's this post ((where ever he may be), (with us or above us)) he would agree, and still not be concerned regarding how others perceived us, here in this forum....
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#33 Post by xepan »

alan stone wrote:
xepan wrote:On a sidenote: Not everyone thinks good of him.
I'm quite sure he was the least concerned about that. And rightly so.
As said: A monkey could do that. And sure isn't concerned bout it either.
His countless how-to's were awesome, of course.

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#34 Post by Head_on_a_Stick »

xepan wrote:A monkey could do that
Helping the community fend off help vampires is not a difficult task but it is an important one, I thank dasein for his efforts.
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#35 Post by xepan »

Me too.
You would assume everyone gets bored after 1000 of such posts and has better things to do, but it seems there are people even able to stick to such a task.

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