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Postby Lysander » 2018-05-21 13:53

I feel that it is only fair to address this on the forums. Many of you will know the poster dasein who was a regular here at FDN. His contributions were at once thorough, prolific, knowledgeable, helpful, humorous and controversial. He left these forums last August after which he and I were in regular email correspondence.

dasein was terminally ill but he did not want the details of his illness to be known, so I will respect his wishes. The last time I heard from him was in December when his health was declining rapidly and he stopped replying to emails. In spite of emailing him since, I have had no response and he was normally very quick to respond. I also note that golinux sent him a PM several weeks ago which he did not even pick up. I have no clues as to his real-life identity and he wanted it kept that way.

Given these indications, I believe that he may have passed away and I think it's worth noting. People do not talk about their personal lives much at all on Linux fora, but the irony is that communities are made by people who have their own lives, concerns, worries and issues, and when important community members leave or pass I think it's worth paying respects and giving thanks for the work they did. As much as I would love dasein to make a reappearance on these boards and prove me wrong, the chances of that are somewhere between highly unlikely and impossible.

So I think this is nice juncture to say thank you for the inspiration he gave. He was certainly hugely helpful in my learning of Linux last year and I wouldn't have got as far as I did without him.
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Re: dasein

Postby golinux » 2018-05-21 14:42

Well said and thank you for your thoughts. The PM I sent to dasein on 2018-03-20 will remain in my outbox to remind me of the great loss to this community and to me personally.
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Re: dasein

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2018-05-21 15:03

It is painfully sad to see good people go. As you have said, maybe there is slight hope he is still out there somewhere, only unable to respond. Sadly, we might never know.

He was always helpful to everyone, and his posts were a joy to read. Even to the newbies, his advices were much more helpful and sincere than most. My adventures with Debian would not have started if it were not for him and his help on this very forum. Now those adventures have become a part of my everyday life.

Thank you, whoever you really were. It has been an honour.
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Re: dasein

Postby Bulkley » 2018-05-21 15:34

Lysander, thanks for posting this. I have been wondering where dasein disappeared to. I tried searching for him a couple of times with no results. I do miss his posts here.
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Re: dasein

Postby wizard10000 » 2018-05-21 16:32

This makes me sad. dasein and I got along pretty well.
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Re: dasein

Postby n_hologram » 2018-05-21 16:37

Did dasein ever share any projects of his?

dasein was at once light-hearted and profound. He had a way of making simple and perfect points. His posting history speaks for itself.

dasein always encouraged people to think at a superposition of big- and little-picture. He was quick, and correct, to point out that security is as broad as the NSA and as small as one's capacitor. Some of his most memorable posts were security- and privacy-related insights. He taught users to think outside of the box. He always taught users to research on their own.

He was public about great ideas and private about himself. The closest thing I ever found to who he "may be" outside of the forums was a snippet in a post by timbgo (miro/miroR on other websites):
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=111906&start=15#p552714
timbgo wrote:whom I respect, like dasein, who is Osamu Aoke, the author of the superb Debian Reference Guide...

This offshoot comment has been up for years. I never bothered to investigate; I kinda wish I had now, even if I were wrong. I sorta assumed dasein would just "come back eventually."

So much for assumptions.
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Re: dasein

Postby HuangLao » 2018-05-21 17:24

Very nice post Lysander!

He will be greatly missed, I enjoyed our disagreements just as much as our friendly banter. Us old *nix guys are becoming like dinosaurs unfortunately. We have a few good posts from him on Slackware forums as well, and he motivated me to create the Slackware thread here. As Lysander said, one day he stopped logging in and posting.... :(

I hope there is a way to "preserve" his posts so they are never purged in maintenance etc... Unless that is not a risk.
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Re: dasein

Postby golinux » 2018-05-21 18:06

n_hologram wrote:The closest thing I ever found to who he "may be" outside of the forums was a snippet in a post by timbgo (miro/miroR on other websites):
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=111906&start=15#p552714
timbgo wrote:whom I respect, like dasein, who is Osamu Aoke, the author of the superb Debian Reference Guide...
A quick SP search found a github site under that name. The activity dates align with the timeline suggested by Lysander:
https://github.com/osamuaoki

On that page there is a link to:
https://people.debian.org/~osamu/

And the README on that page points to this:
http://wiki.debian.org/OsamuAoki

If those assumptions are correct, dasein was a giant in the Debian community.
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Re: dasein

Postby Lysander » 2018-05-21 18:12

n_hologram wrote:Did dasein ever share any projects of his?


That would be interesting, wouldn't it. The only thing he shared with me was a section of his doctoral thesis. I won't lie, it's way too advanced for me to make head or tail of. I wonder if anyone knows of anything else he worked on.

n_hologram wrote:He always taught users to research on their own.


And how, yes. He described himself as "High Priest of RTFM". He was consistent right to the end. In fact the last sentence he ever wrote in an email to me was on that very point:

No one can be an expert on everything, but yes, I firmly believe that developing one's own expertise is an inherently worthwhile thing, doubly so as regards "fundamentals."


n_hologram wrote:The closest thing I ever found to who he "may be" outside of the forums was a snippet in a post by timbgo (miro/miroR on other websites):
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=111906&start=15#p552714


I don't know where this poster got that information from but I don't think it's accurate. I don't know of Osamu Aoke, but one would think his native language was Japanese, whereas dasein specifically said that his native language was English. Secondly, the Debian Reference Guide was last updated by Aoke as recently as March 2018. From the tone of dasein's emails in late 2017, the last thing on his mind would have been updating a Debian reference guide especially as he had moved off Debian by then and had a strong dislike of systemd. I don't think we'll ever really know, which is how he wanted it.

Good post, n_hologram. Very nicely-written.
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Re: dasein

Postby n_hologram » 2018-05-21 18:38

@Lysander: I wasn't sure either; I just remember shortly afterwards casually looking up the name and brushing it aside.

I had also found the github et al. referenced by @golinux, and did note the parallel activity there and here. The people.debian.org account is consistent as well, as the most recent contribution there was in early January.

HuangLao referenced dasein as an "old nix guy," so that was the first thing that made me question the validity of timbgo/miro's claim (check the 2014 Wheezy party). I never inquired as to dasein's native or first language; after all, his username is German.

The only reference of any 'dasein' for site:debian.org are between two bug trackers.
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Re: dasein

Postby golinux » 2018-05-21 19:00

Lysander wrote:I don't know of Osamu Aoke, but one would think his native language was Japanese, whereas dasein specifically said that his native language was English
This one factor indicates they are not the same person. dasein's language skills were impeccable. Osamu Aoke's communications are adequate but clearly ESL.
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Re: dasein

Postby HuangLao » 2018-05-21 19:33

n_hologram wrote: I never inquired as to dasein's native or first language; after all, his username is German.



That was merely a reflection of his intellect...on a Slackware/Salix forum his screen name was in Latin, and yes it reflected his age and attitude.....
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Re: dasein

Postby Ardouos » 2018-05-21 21:27

I have always enjoyed reading Daesin's posts. From the frivolous chuckle to hard facts, he always spoke his mind.
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Re: dasein

Postby llivv » 2018-05-22 13:38

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Re: dasein

Postby KBD47 » 2018-05-22 18:36

One of the most memorable people on this forum. On forums like this you never really know what people are going through in their personal lives.
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