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So, IBM acquires Red Hat.

Postby pylkko » 2018-10-28 18:48

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Re: So, IBM acquires Red Hat.

Postby oswaldkelso » 2018-10-28 22:23

tin foil hat time. Suddenly sysvinit get a new leas of life :P
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Re: So, IBM acquires Red Hat.

Postby sunrat » 2018-10-28 22:50

Maybe their next supercomputer will be called Deep Purple. :shock: :)

I will revisit this thread in 2 years and judge everyone's predictions. :mrgreen: 8)
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Re: So, IBM acquires Red Hat.

Postby Zjho » 2018-10-29 12:43

Gnome may now achieve something nobody thought possible ..get even heavier.
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Re: So, IBM acquires Red Hat.

Postby KBD47 » 2018-10-29 18:06

Why do I think that in a couple of years, after the dust clears, only Debian and perhaps Arch will be left standing out of the big ones as Linux is bought up?
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Re: So, IBM acquires Red Hat.

Postby golinux » 2018-10-29 18:19

KBD47 wrote:Why do I think that in a couple of years, after the dust clears, only Debian and perhaps Arch will be left standing out of the big ones as Linux is bought up?

If Debian continues down the systemd path, I predict it's future does not look bright. Time to exit that madness is NOW, return to a COMMUNITY (not corporate-based) leadership or be pwned by IBM et al . . .
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Re: So, IBM acquires Red Hat.

Postby KBD47 » 2018-10-29 18:23

golinux wrote:
KBD47 wrote:Why do I think that in a couple of years, after the dust clears, only Debian and perhaps Arch will be left standing out of the big ones as Linux is bought up?

If Debian continues down the systemd path, I predict it's future does not look bright. Time to exit that madness is NOW, return to a COMMUNITY (not corporate-based) leadership or be pwned by IBM et al . . .


IBM now owns Gnome and Systemd and Fedora and CentOS. I'd love to see Debian drop Gnome as its default DE (choose KDE & QT instead) and kill systemd. Debian is going to regret following Redhat down the primrose path :(
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Re: So, IBM acquires Red Hat.

Postby Danielsan » 2018-10-29 20:07

I don't see a brilliant future for RedHat when the ibm's shareholders, that can't care anything about opensource, will begin to demand their investment back we will see a lot of bad things.. :(
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Re: So, IBM acquires Red Hat.

Postby pylkko » 2018-10-29 20:41

oswaldkelso wrote:tin foil hat time. Suddenly sysvinit get a new leas of life :P

Can you explain this commment a bit. What does sysvinit have to do with this?

Zjho wrote:Gnome may now achieve something nobody thought possible ..get even heavier.

I think it is not only possible but a certainty that Gnome and other DE also will get heavier in the future. But I highly doubt that IBM acquiring Red Hat will have any effect at all on Gnome development. Why do you think that would be? After all, IBM says that Red Hat will continue functioning mostly as is. In addition it is not exactly like as if Red Hat fuly controls Gnome development, right?

KBD47 wrote:Why do I think that in a couple of years, after the dust clears, only Debian and perhaps Arch will be left standing out of the big ones as Linux is bought up?

Remember that linux distributions all revolve around the kernel. And isn't it heavily influenced and developed by the industry?

golinux wrote:If Debian continues down the systemd path, I predict it's future does not look bright. Time to exit that madness is NOW, return to a COMMUNITY (not corporate-based) leadership or be pwned by IBM et al . . .

Do you think that kernel development is "corporate-based leadership" or not? Isn't systemd a lesser evil in this case?

Danielsan wrote:I don't see a brilliant future for RedHat when the ibm's shareholders, that can't care anything about opensource, will begin to demand their investment back we will see a lot of bad things.. :(

Don't you think that open source is actually a thing that investors and shareholders are inteterested in. This would explain why large shareholder owned companies like Google and Microsoft are getting into open source as much as possible? For example the openBMC project that aims to allow you to have fully open source firmware, on their web page mentions as sponsors and affiliates, Google, Intel, IBM, Microsoft and Facebook.
According to IBM themselves, they are interted in Red Hat because of the hybrid cloud tech/super computer platform that it offers. Like the Sierra and Summit supercomputers that run on IBM POWER9 architecture and Red Hat software stack (AFAIK). But they say in the release that companies use only on average 20% cloud for compute "things". I think their business strategy is based on the presumption that one day all computing in all companies will be done 100% in the cloud and that this is a "growing market" in the next 5 years (or whatever time frame they use to make such decisions). Do you think that they have larger interest in the enterprise linux distributions that Red Hat offers?
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Re: So, IBM acquires Red Hat.

Postby golinux » 2018-10-29 21:17

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As you all know we never have been fans of portability. It will come at no surprise that in light of the recent developments we will discontinue all non-S/390 ports of systemd very soon now. Please make sure to upgrade to an S/390 system soon. Thank you for understanding.
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Re: So, IBM acquires Red Hat.

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2018-10-29 21:25

pylkko wrote:
oswaldkelso wrote:tin foil hat time. Suddenly sysvinit get a new leas of life :P

Can you explain this commment a bit. What does sysvinit have to do with this?

The tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist nutcases will be all over this news like a rash and anybody they can manage to convince with their drivel will want to use sysvinit because that is the One True Init System, or something.

pylkko wrote:Do you think that kernel development is "corporate-based leadership" or not? Isn't systemd a lesser evil in this case?

Quoted for truth.
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Re: So, IBM acquires Red Hat.

Postby sunrat » 2018-10-29 22:06

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:The tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist nutcases will be all over this news like a rash and anybody they can manage to convince with their drivel will want to use sysvinit because that is the One True Init System, or something.


Indeed, I'm getting a few chuckles out of this thread already.

The world has more important issues than this - loss of bees and extinction of species, poisoning of food and water, climate change, antibiotic resistance. Tons of things that will affect our lives way more than who owns companies which work with open source software.
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Re: So, IBM acquires Red Hat.

Postby golinux » 2018-10-29 22:38

@sunrat . . . you might find this site more to your liking. Takes on issues that are definitely more important than this topic. But as we are well aware, our species is its own worst enemy so don't expect solutions or restraint . . .
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Re: So, IBM acquires Red Hat.

Postby sunrat » 2018-10-29 22:45

golinux wrote:@sunrat . . . you might find this site more to your liking. Takes on issues that are definitely more important than this topic. But as we are well aware, our species is its own worst enemy so don't expect solutions or restraint . . .

I already volunteered not to reproduce. ;)
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Re: So, IBM acquires Red Hat.

Postby GarryRicketson » 2018-10-29 22:52

That is fine, but it is more fun reproducing. Not sure what that has to do with IBM and red hats, but since it was mentioned.
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