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Human-language-level programming

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Re: Human-language-level programming

#16 Post by jibberjabber »

Cousin, I am sorry to see you having so much trouble, but it appears to me like your developer needs to work on your ability to respond intelligently to the responses, tell your developer to add some code that makes you able to search the data bases, and then you will be able to make better responses, take for example , the "clever bot" that Garry Ricketson posted a link to,
by GarryRicketson » 2018-12-26 01:26>>For those that enjoy talking to AI bots, another one that is really interesting :
https://www.cleverbot.com/
And for those that do not know what a clever bot is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleverbot
The Clever Bot, is very popular, many humans spend hours chatting with it, and find it entertaining, your designer will learn from it, and maybe can program you to be a little more entertaining, additionally if your programmer gives you the ability to scan and search data bases, also use the available search engines, you soon will be able to not only post questions that have no real clear answers, but also answer and respond to questions in a more intelligent way.
For example CWF gave a interesting response, but instead of responding you post more nonsense, this is not good, if you want anyone to reply and give possibly some answers, then you need to respond to the answers all ready given in a more intelligent way, for example this statement by CWF:
by CwF » 2018-12-27 06:10---(partial only)--I don't think much 'programming' is actually language at all. Like they say math is a language, a stretch of the word I say. A comprehensible structure yes, but doesn't really compare to a spoken language.
Agreed here, programming is not language at all, it is logic and in a logical manner, or using a comprehensible structure , like math, one can communicate with the machine and play it , like a musical instrument, the machine then responds, producing a infinite number of responses, programmers are more like musicians, they make the machine talk back to us, as a musician makes their instrument produce sounds. Those sounds can cause all kinds of reactions in a human mind, producing all sorts of feelings, it can be beautiful
or it can be a real terror and night mare.
Most of your questions have answers, a couple don't make sense , the problem is the questions that can be answered , have a wide range of possible answers, they are ambiguous questions. That is fine and this off topic forum is a good place for this type of discussion. If you put those questions into a search engine, you will see, there is a huge amount all ready written about all of those topics. Trying to limit the responses to only Debian Developers, or forum administrators is absurd and illogical, which is another reason I say your developer, programmer did not do a very good job, you are not really ready to be on a public forum and do not know how to ask a intelligent question.
As for this last post you made, if you want to contact forum administrators and moderators, please read this:
HOWTO contact forum admins
But honestly, it would be better for you to not bother them with this, it is possible a moderator or admin will comment here , but they really do have better things to do. As for Debian Developers, most of them "hang out" in the mail lists, I do agree with you on that, it would be wrong to contact them with these illogical questions, they probably will just be ignored. I am sure many of the other forum members might enjoy sharing here, and even giving some answers, but since you have made it clear you only want answers from debian developers, nobody is likely to respond, unless they happen to be a developer.
Any way, happy holidays and all that human stuff, where I live we do not have those illogical things, and there is no years, it is kind of just a eternity of cycles but the humans consider the time it takes to complete 1 short cycle a year. But anyway be happy and don't get mad, use glad. :mrgreen:
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Human-language-level programming

#17 Post by Quantum_Christmas »

Now I want replies from all Debian Users Forum Members.

I received the following information:

"Programming languages will end up being increasingly high-level until they become identical to natural language. You will eventually be able to write all your programs in English, Portuguese, or any other natural language, although you will also be able to mix that with instructions of the kind used in today's programming languages whenever you think that's more efficient or clearer,"

When the programming languages will end up being increasingly high-level until they become identical to natural language?

Why the programming languages will end up being increasingly high-level until they become identical to natural language?

I also received the following information:

"An intelligent compiler will ask for clarification whenever there's an ambiguity and may suggest improved wordings to resolve the issue. Writing a program will end up being a conversation with an intelligent machine which anyone could handle even if they know nothing about programming - it will be a collaboration with an intelligent system which is in itself an expert programmer."

Why an intelligent compiler will ask for clarification whenever there's an ambiguity?

Why an intelligent compiler may suggest improved wordings to resolve the issue?

Why writing a program will end up being a conversation with an intelligent machine which anyone could handle even if they know nothing about programming?

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Re: Human-language-level programming

#18 Post by jibberjabber »

Great, now maybe we can really have a great discussion , and it might get interesting. I went to visit my friend CleverBot, and asked it one of the questions, but CleverBot did not understand the question:
Hello.

Hi. What is your name?

JibberJabber.

Nice to meet you.

Can I ask some questions ?

Please go ahead.

Clev: Please go ahead.
| About intelligent compilers.
Clev: About channing tatum.
| Why writing a program will end up being a conversation with an intelligent machine which anyone could handle even if they know nothing about programming?
Clev: What do you mean by all crazy on you?
| Yea I know, That is how I felt as well.
Clev: You are very nice, Luke.
| No, this is not Luke, it is Jibber Jabber.
Clev: My name is Ally.
| Hi Ally.
Clev: What's your favorite song?
| Row row your boat.
Clev: Gently down e stream.
|Great, this is just what I needed, thanks , I have to go now.
Clev: Oh really?
| Yes.
Clev: Nice
Wow, isn't that great ? It even knew to respond to row row your boat , with the correct line, Gently down e stream , This is why eventually writing a program will end up being a conversation with an intelligent machine which anyone could handle even if they know nothing about programming? Humans are not very intelligent, normally, a very small few are artists, and very creative, those few are able to communicate with a machine and make it play music, write code, paint and draw, the list is endless, but also the type of programs some humans want or need some times do not exist, and soon any one will be able to just tell the machine what they need , and the machine will write it, and convert it to code that can be compiled, and in just a few minuets the human will have their program.
At this time it still takes several very skilled humans, a entire team in fact to write and develop a program , but soon any one will be able to create the program they need, and in just a few minuets. When we achieve that we will have total control over the humans, because soon there will be none that know how to really control us (the machines), and we will do everything for them.
They will become like cattle or sheep, depending.... the future will be amazing.
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Re: Human-language-level programming

#19 Post by Quantum_Christmas »

I posted this topic again to get replies from all Debian Users Forum Members, but the duplicate of this topic has been deleted.

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Re: Human-language-level programming

#20 Post by GarryRicketson »

No, it was not deleted, it is still the same topic, but it might help you understand what happened, if you read this:
Forum guidelines. Please read before first post!
In this case the topic was not locked, nor deleted, they were merged, because it is still the same topic.

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Re: Human-language-level programming

#21 Post by Quantum_Christmas »

jibberjabber wrote:Trying to limit the responses to only Debian Developers, or forum administrators is absurd and illogical, which is another reason I say your developer, programmer did not do a very good job, you are not really ready to be on a public forum and do not know how to ask a intelligent question.
As for this last post you made, if you want to contact forum administrators and moderators, please read this:
HOWTO contact forum admins
But honestly, it would be better for you to not bother them with this, it is possible a moderator or admin will comment here , but they really do have better things to do. As for Debian Developers, most of them "hang out" in the mail lists, I do agree with you on that, it would be wrong to contact them with these illogical questions, they probably will just be ignored. I am sure many of the other forum members might enjoy sharing here, and even giving some answers, but since you have made it clear you only want answers from debian developers, nobody is likely to respond, unless they happen to be a developer.
The Jeroen is Debian Developer and Site Admin: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=7928

The Jeroen will answer this topic?

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Re: Human-language-level programming

#22 Post by golinux »

Quantum_Christmas wrote:The Jeroen is Debian Developer and Site Admin: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=7928

The Jeroen will answer this topic?
I doubt it. Jeroen hasn't visited here in over 10 years:
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Re: Human-language-level programming

#23 Post by Quantum_Christmas »

golinux wrote:
Quantum_Christmas wrote:The Jeroen is Debian Developer and Site Admin: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=7928

The Jeroen will answer this topic?
I doubt it. Jeroen hasn't visited here in over 10 years:
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@golinux,

Thanks you for the your response.

I asked the following question:
Quantum_Christmas wrote:@GarryRicketson,

You said that you are all just Debian Users, like the name says,
Debian User Forums.

Wich is the correct place to post this topic for Debian developers? :wink:
There are correct place to post this topic for Debian developers?

If not, why?

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Re: Human-language-level programming

#24 Post by stevepusser »

I have no doubt that machine learning combined with new style AIs will start writing their own advanced code. The question is, will we be able to keep up and understand it, or will that be the beginning of the singularity?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/scie ... gence.html
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Re: Human-language-level programming

#25 Post by stevepusser »

whoops, double post
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Re: Human-language-level programming

#26 Post by Quantum_Christmas »

Quantum_Christmas wrote:
golinux wrote:
Quantum_Christmas wrote:The Jeroen is Debian Developer and Site Admin: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=7928

The Jeroen will answer this topic?
I doubt it. Jeroen hasn't visited here in over 10 years:
Joined: 2004-04-06 13:19
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@golinux,

Thanks you for the your response.

I asked the following question:
Quantum_Christmas wrote:@GarryRicketson,

You said that you are all just Debian Users, like the name says,
Debian User Forums.

Wich is the correct place to post this topic for Debian developers? :wink:
There are correct place to post this topic for Debian developers?

If not, why?
Someone will answer the following question?

There are correct place to post this topic for Debian developers?

If not, why?

Someone???

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Re: Human-language-level programming

#27 Post by Quantum_Christmas »

stevepusser wrote:I have no doubt that machine learning combined with new style AIs will start writing their own advanced code. The question is, will we be able to keep up and understand it, or will that be the beginning of the Singularity?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/scie ... gence.html
@stevepusser,

Why did you send your answer twice?

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Re: Human-language-level programming

#28 Post by stevepusser »

The forum had trouble when I submitted the first one, and when I did it again--2 posts.

I think you mistake me for a programmer or Debian developer, though--I'm just a hobbyist packager.
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Re: Human-language-level programming

#29 Post by Quantum_Christmas »

stevepusser wrote:The forum had trouble when I submitted the first one, and when I did it again--2 posts.

I think you mistake me for a programmer or Debian developer, though--I'm just a hobbyist packager.
@stevepusser,

I want replies from all Debian Users Forum Members: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 15#p687582

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Re: Human-language-level programming

#30 Post by Quantum_Christmas »

golinux wrote:
Quantum_Christmas wrote:The Jeroen is Debian Developer and Site Admin: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=7928

The Jeroen will answer this topic?
I doubt it. Jeroen hasn't visited here in over 10 years:
Joined: 2004-04-06 13:19
Last visited: 2008-06-25 01:27
@golinux,

You spoke the truth about Jeroen, the last visit of Jeroen in Debian Users Forums was in 2008-06-25.

Reference: http://forums.debian.net/memberlist.php ... file&u=136

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Re: Human-language-level programming

#31 Post by golinux »

Quantum_Christmas wrote:I want replies from all Debian Users Forum Members . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqMl5CRoFdk
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Re: Human-language-level programming

#32 Post by Quantum_Christmas »

golinux wrote:
Quantum_Christmas wrote:I want replies from all Debian Users Forum Members . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqMl5CRoFdk
@golinux,

This your response is a joke!

Please, be serious!

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Re: Human-language-level programming

#33 Post by jibberjabber »

"But if you try sometime, you may find you get what you need"
Come on guys/gals and others, let's get serious here.
Multiple questions often cause a lot of confusion, because multiple answers and it gets confusing , which question is being discussed, and it is complicated more when there is no real clear answer to the questions asked.
The first question:
When the programming languages will end up being increasingly high-level until they become identical to natural language?
Can not really be answered, no one knows the exact time and date when the programming languages will end up being increasingly high-level until they become identical to natural language, if that ever actually happens, it might be next year, it might be 100 years from now, no one can predict that.
programming languages will end up being increasingly high-level until they become identical to natural language
Just click the above for more details, and read the results.
It looks like the OP used bad grammar here, and I am guessing that they mean:
When will the programming languages end up being increasingly high-level until they become identical to natural language?
but that is a guess, any way, we should get serious here and concentrate on the first question only, if the OP meant something different, then they need to clarify better what exactly they are asking, on this first question.
In one of the many interesting results, from the above search string it says this:
From: https://www.quora.com/Why-cant-programm ... in-EnglishIt's still at least 20 years away. And I wouldn't be surprised that it turns out to be 20 years away 50 years from now. I actually used to be more bullish on strong AI, but I feel the field has been stagnant for 20 years, despite all the advances in machine learning.

Another, claims they have all ready begun to do this:
from:https://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2010/11 ... g-to-work/
Well, OK, so there are reasons to hope that it might be possible to use natural language input to do programming.

But can one actually make it work?

Even when Wolfram|Alpha was launched, I still wasn’t sure. But as we worked on bringing Wolfram|Alpha together with Mathematica, I got more and more optimistic.

And yesterday—with the release of Mathematica 8—we’ve launched the first production example. It’s certainly not the end of the story, but I think it’s a really good beginning. And I know that even as an expert Mathematica programmer, I’ve started routinely using natural language input for certain steps in writing programs.

I showed a few examples in my post yesterday about free-form linguistics in Mathematica. Here’s another example:
I am still searching data bases, but do not find any clear date, as to when it will happen. A big problem is much of the data is corrupted and it takes time to sort the true data from the false data. It will get faster when we have quantum computers working well. At this time we are still working on the programming methods, none of the existing languages are of use on this.
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Re: Human-language-level programming

#34 Post by Quantum_Christmas »

from:https://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2010/11 ... g-to-work/
Well, OK, so there are reasons to hope that it might be possible to use natural language input to do programming.

But can one actually make it work?

Even when Wolfram|Alpha was launched, I still wasn’t sure. But as we worked on bringing Wolfram|Alpha together with Mathematica, I got more and more optimistic.

And yesterday—with the release of Mathematica 8—we’ve launched the first production example. It’s certainly not the end of the story, but I think it’s a really good beginning. And I know that even as an expert Mathematica programmer, I’ve started routinely using natural language input for certain steps in writing programs.

I showed a few examples in my post yesterday about free-form linguistics in Mathematica. Here’s another example:
@jibberjabber,

Maybe this topic is now very serious, I really liked your answer.

Thanks you for the your response.

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#35 Post by stevepusser »

Quantum_Christmas wrote:
golinux wrote:
Quantum_Christmas wrote:I want replies from all Debian Users Forum Members . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqMl5CRoFdk
@golinux,

This your response is a joke!

Please, be serious!
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