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Postby sinical » 2007-05-02 06:25

happening at www.digg.com. front page is filled with stories of a leaked hd-dvd key
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Postby Dargor » 2007-05-02 06:41

yea i read that on slashdot, funny thing is that it looks like some of the comments have been removed.

looks like alot of people like rebellion. I know i do, im getting a t-shirt. :)

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Postby llivv » 2007-05-02 07:10

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Postby ghostdawg » 2007-05-03 00:50

What does leak key mean? What is purpose of it?
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Postby sinical » 2007-05-03 01:01

It allows you to play DRM HD-DVD media on other OS's / devices..

Its a bit like the DVDcss of years ago
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Postby sinical » 2007-05-03 01:52

Here is an Ars Technia story of it all
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Postby dmn_clown » 2007-05-03 14:07

Ahh, another useful tool that will be illegal for me to use.

Thank you, Bill Clinton, the DMCA is simply awesome.
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Postby DeanLinkous » 2007-05-03 14:19

illegal to have fair use of something you purchased - not in my book

I paid to watch the content on a DVD and by golly how I do that is not open for negotiation - it is my fair use!
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Postby Vergil » 2007-05-03 14:47

DeanLinkous wrote:illegal to have fair use of something you purchased - not in my book

I paid to watch the content on a DVD and by golly how I do that is not open for negotiation - it is my fair use!

The courts in the US have ruled, circumventing copycontrol measures is illegal under the DMCA.
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Postby Lavene » 2007-05-03 15:17

Here the government/ courts actually are starting to get the drift. It's decided in the supreme court that circumventing any kind of protection in order to play the media on a device is perfectly legal as long as current copyright laws is observed. Here, if you buy it you own it and can do what ever you want with it.

It was Norway that started to lean on Apple and their iPod 'lockin'. Actually they just demanded that they changed their license if they wanted to continue to market iTunes in Norway but it ended in Apple removing all DRM.

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Postby DeanLinkous » 2007-05-03 15:53

Vergil wrote:The courts in the US have ruled, circumventing copycontrol measures is illegal under the DMCA.

Circumventing copy control measures if you do not have authorized access to the work is illegal. The DMCA deals with unauthorized access to a work. I hold that a legally purchased DVD would mean you have authorized access or else how would I watch the DVD in the first place? So IMO I have authorized access to the content and therefore I hold that my usage is not illegal in any form.

oh and copyright/fair use was around long before DMCA

But if these companies do not want me to use their product then I am often happy to find something else to do with my money. :D
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Postby GMouse » 2007-05-03 16:08

DeanLinkous wrote:But if these companies do not want me to use their product then I am often happy to find something else to do with my money. :D


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Postby dmn_clown » 2007-05-04 02:40

DeanLinkous wrote:...I hold that a legally purchased DVD would mean you have authorized access or else how would I watch the DVD in the first place? So IMO I have authorized access to the content and therefore I hold that my usage is not illegal in any form.


I agree with you, fair use should cover it, unfortunately the RIAA and MPAA do not share this view. Their lobbyists also do a great job of convincing the entrenched politicians to support their view of the matter, hence it is/will be illegal in the United States.

Why do you think RMS doesn't watch DVDs?
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Postby Vergil » 2007-05-04 02:42

DeanLinkous wrote:The DMCA deals with unauthorized access to a work.

It sure does not. Why do you think it is illegal for me to copy a DVD I own using DeCSS to decript it? Any circumvention without permission of the copyright holder, except when authorized by the Librarian of Congress, is illegal.
Ҥ 1201. Circumvention of copyright protection systems

“(a) Violations Regarding Circumvention of Technological Measures.—(1)(A) No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.

“(B) The prohibition contained in subparagraph (A) shall not apply to persons who are users of a copyrighted work which is in a particular class of works, if such persons are adversely affected by virtue of such prohibition in their ability to make noninfringing uses of that particular class of works under this title, as determined under subparagraph (C).......

“(D) The Librarian shall publish any class of copyrighted works for which the Librarian has determined, pursuant to the rulemaking conducted under subparagraph (C), that noninfringing uses by persons who are users of a copyrighted work are, or are likely to be, adversely affected, and the prohibition contained in subparagraph (A) shall not apply to such users with respect to such class of works for the ensuing 3-year period.

The DMCA is expansive in its power. Circumvention is only protected under a exemption granted by the Librarian. No where in the current exemptions are fair use for DVD.
DeanLinkous wrote:oh and copyright/fair use was around long before DMCA

I don't agree with the DMCA (hell no!), however, it is currently the law.
DeanLinkous wrote:But if these companies do not want me to use their product then I am often happy to find something else to do with my money. :D

I agree 100%. I haven't purchased nor downloaded a RIAA record in years.
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