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Windows is becoming Linux - new Killer Project from MS :LOL:

Postby LE_746F6D617A7A69 » 2020-05-20 13:45

Windows Package Manager

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>winget install terminal

Really?

I'd like to see the source code...
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Re: Windows is becoming Linux - new Killer Project from MS :

Postby eriefisher » 2020-05-20 14:11

Although I have not touched a Windows machine in some time this looks interesting. Some kind of fork of apt. This should be better than downloading some random package and double clicking to install. I wonder who is vetting these 3rd party repos?

I almost want to jump on a win10 machine and try it! Never mind, I don't know what I was thinking.
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Re: Windows is becoming Linux - new Killer Project from MS :

Postby LE_746F6D617A7A69 » 2020-05-20 14:17

eriefisher wrote:Some kind of fork of apt

But APT is GPL-ed - that's why I'd like to see the code.

BTW, I wonder if this project will be so "successful" as their previous killer project: REFS :lol:

EDIT:
I'm blind: the sources are here:
https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli

I've just started to investigate what's inside...
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Re: Windows is becoming Linux - new Killer Project from MS :

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2020-05-20 15:00

Yes, Microsoft are a lot keener on open source now that they've finally realised that they can get their fans to work on the code for free. Moar profit!

Tangentially related: DirectX on WSL.
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Re: Windows is becoming Linux - new Killer Project from MS :

Postby LE_746F6D617A7A69 » 2020-05-20 15:10

EDIT2:
Quoting myself:
I'm blind: the sources are here:
https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli

Not really:
For a while I was shocked: Microshit project with open source code and MIT License? - Impossible... something stinks here...
And indeed, I wasn't wrong: that code on github just implements the interface to Windows Package Manager service deployed in Azure cloud - so it's actually a closed source project.

So, still I'd like to see the code ...

@HOAS: I've edited my previous post, and moved EDIT2 here to keep thread consistency

EDIT3:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Tangentially related: DirectX on WSL.

I've checked this link: the core of this project is also closed source:
libd3d12.so and libdxcore.so are closed source, pre-compiled user mode binaries that ship as part of Windows. These binaries are compatible with glibc based distros and are automatically mounted under /usr/lib/wsl/lib

This project is directly targeted at killing OpenCL and Vulkan.

So what the hell is going on?

Call me paranoid, but I think that we are facing a new wave of attacks on Linux - Embrace,Extend,Extinguish

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Re: Windows is becoming Linux - new Killer Project from MS :

Postby cuckooflew » 2020-05-20 18:53

Thanks for the Embrace, extend and exterminate link I do hope people read it, I am quoting part here:
"Embrace, extend, and extinguish" (EEE),[1] also known as "embrace, extend, and exterminate",[2] is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found[3] was used internally by Microsoft[4] to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences in order to strongly disadvantage its competitors.


I often also feel Linux is becoming Windows, as more and more MS windows users try Linux, and often complain it is not like MS windows, so many developers try to make certain distros more like ms windows in efforts to attract more users, I guess, any way,....On one hand , it is good if both systems are more compatible, ...............I am tired now, maybe later ZZZzzzZZZzzzzZZzz
Seriously , it is a interesting topic though, but just to tired,...
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Re: Windows is becoming Linux - new Killer Project from MS :

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2020-05-20 19:38

LE_746F6D617A7A69 wrote:I think that we are facing a new wave of attacks on Linux

Yes, I also thought "EEE" when I saw that story. A leopard never changes it's spots...
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Re: Windows is becoming Linux - new Killer Project from MS :

Postby LE_746F6D617A7A69 » 2020-05-20 20:47

Actually (and fortunately) they are not so clever - the EEE method is well known (but maybe not for new Linux users - this can be a problem - so this topic might be helpful).

The problem with Microshit is that many people simply don't know what is this all about - MS recently have put a lot of effort to present themselves as "just another company who contributes to open source community" - while in fact this is a rotten corporation, targeted only on killing innovation - because innovation kills their own low-quality products and therefore profits: Microsoft simply produces low quality software which is sold for ridiculous prices (like f.e. their shitty server OS-es, which are basically not better than Win10 Home Edition).

History should learn us how to avoid repeating the same mistakes.
Most of people have completely no idea how Bill Gates actually created that monster, known as Microshit today, so here's the full story:
http://antitrust.slated.org/www.vanwensveen.nl/IhateMS.pdf

Despite the title, this is a very well documented history of Microshit - up to year 2005 - I think that every Linux user should become familiar with this document - to understand what is the scale of damages that Microsoft did to IT world and who they really are.

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Re: Windows is becoming Linux - new Killer Project from MS :

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2020-05-21 17:23

Same old shit from Microsoft (apologies for the Medium link, disable javascript before clicking to limit the pain):

https://medium.com/@probonopd/microsoft ... f91023e4b8
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Re: Windows is becoming Linux - new Killer Project from MS :

Postby LE_746F6D617A7A69 » 2020-05-21 22:57

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:(apologies for the Medium link, disable javascript before clicking to limit the pain):

No problemo: In my browsers the Javashit is disabled by default: I'm enabling it only when it's absolutely necessary ;)

Your post is interesting - it shows that Microshit is not only "borrowing" the ideas and code (simply stealing - like the VMS kernel code) - but also they don't care about trademarks - what means they don't care about the law regulations. The community behind the Maui project is probably too small to afford costs resulting from suing such a giant as Microshit -> so they could feel safe, at least for now (fortunately, EU is not US - we are respecting the law and I suppose that MS will be punished for this quite soon...)
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Re: Windows is becoming Linux - new Killer Project from MS :

Postby arzgi » 2020-05-22 15:00

LE_746F6D617A7A69 wrote:History should learn us how to avoid repeating the same mistakes.
Most of people have completely no idea how Bill Gates actually created that monster, known as Microshit today, so here's the full story:
http://antitrust.slated.org/www.vanwensveen.nl/IhateMS.pdf


Thanks, was really interesting to read. Confirmed again did the right choice leaving MS$ after win95.
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Re: Windows is becoming Linux - new Killer Project from MS :

Postby LE_746F6D617A7A69 » 2020-06-01 13:38

Another "coincidence":

Microsoft's GSL vs GNU GSL

The GNU GSL was ported to almost every platform existing on the planet Earth - including Windows, where it was available for at least 15 years - haven't they noticed?

.. not even funny ...
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Re: Windows is becoming Linux - new Killer Project from MS :

Postby cuckooflew » 2020-06-01 14:19

Good morning,

I would trust the second link and source: https://www.gnu.org/software/gsl/ But would not trust the first...
by arzgi »Confirmed again did the right choice leaving MS$ after win95.

Hmm, well good decision, I tried windows 1.0when it was released, but did not like it, and aslo noticed it seemed to be self destructive, so I wiped my hd and re-installed DOS, yes it was MS dos, but that is another topic, then when windows 3.1 , they claimed it was better, tried again, but it made a mess and I had to format, install Dos again, shortly after, I saw the announcement aboutFreeDos, on USENET, I was all ready using Unix, when online, my host being a Unix powered server,.. any way, this was also when I was introduced to open source software as well, it was fun and exciting, lot's of new programs and software , yes sometimes, in fact often there were bugs, but there also usually was a form of sorts to submit /report the bug, and of course , since it was open source it was also possible to find my own solution to the bug or problem, ahh those were the "good old days",... any way I never did look back as far as MS windows goes, and also started using FreeDos instead of MS Dos, I asked on USENET about some kind of Unix, or Unix like system I could run on a normal PC, it was Jim Hall that suggested Linux, I don't remember what user name I used back then, but any way, guess I am rambling and going way off topic here, sorry...ahh the meds are kicking in, and I have a lot of chores to do, so that's all folks!, for now any way :mrgreen:
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Re: Windows is becoming Linux - new Killer Project from MS :

Postby LE_746F6D617A7A69 » 2020-06-01 16:45

The description of Microsoft's GSL project is:
The Guidelines Support Library (GSL) contains functions and types that are suggested for use by the C++ Core Guidelines maintained by the Standard C++ Foundation.

They are referring to CppCoreGuidelines project - so a natural and logical name for the library would be for example CppCoreGuidelinesLibrary -> CCGL or LCCG, but instead they're using "Guidelines Support Library" name : what guidelines? - this name has nothing to do with C++ Core

I doubt that this is just an effect of hiring idiots...

In the past few weeks I've looked inside many of MS projects available on GitHub, and it become clear to me, that the MS movement toward open source is just one big lie.

Most of their projects are just open source front-ends to a closed source services or technologies created by Microshit. About 30..40% project is targeting MS Azure Cloud services, many others are just extensions to PowerShell, extensions to VisualStudio or examples how to use DirectX.
Besides that they're cloning many server tools trying to make their windows-based versions, of course partially closed source.

Oh, and You can even run Linux on Azure Cloud

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Re: Windows is becoming Linux - new Killer Project from MS :

Postby pylkko » 2020-06-01 18:43

The times have changed and that has also changed the meaning and significance of open source code. FOSS used to be able to protect against vendor lock-in and to protect the end user in the sense that they can decide, or even know for that matter, what the code on their machines is doing. On the machines that they own, they decide.

Large corporations have always realized how rentier capitalism is beneficial for them, but in computers the technology didn't really allow for doing it efficiently until very recently, as it requires non-stop internet connections. Now it is completely normal and desirable for younger people to acquire smart devices on which they do not own root/highest privileges. They don't even know/care what that is. In essence they rent that phone from Apple/Google who own it. Then they stream media from cloud services (i.e they rent it) instead of actually owning like an mp3 (remember those? the patent expired last year), and the automobile industry is piloting/developing self driving übers, so that it makes less sense to want to own a car in the future. Want to get somewhere quick, why bother actually owning an electric scooter with all the hassle of storing and repairing it? Rent it with an app. Any kind of new device that you buy today might have integrated "smart capabilities". This goes for things from watches to television, from fitness devices to kitchen appliances. In order to use it, download a small app, which in essence is a thin wrapper to a proprietary pay-to-use cloud service. Microsoft also understands this well, and they provide cloud office solutions to work places and stuff against rent.

The future is going to be a tough place to be in, especially if computers allow to extend this into everything. Hell, even work in many areas is now forced-entrepreneur rent (temp) labor (things like food delivery by Foodora). And with robotics and neural network-based tech replacing normal jobs, it gonna be harder and harder to say no to the corporations. By the way, it was just in the news last week that Microsoft are replacing their in-house journalists with bots.
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