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PostPosted: 2007-06-17 02:03
by Telemachus
CocoAUS wrote:It seems that everyone has ignored the first comment I made along with posting the video:

IGNORE THE CREATIONISM ASPECT.

You seem to me to be ignoring the obvious response: No. Many of us can't, won't and shouldn't ignore that aspect for a number of reasons. First, the people who make these claims on the sites you like so much are all vocal creationists. Second, their arguments appear to rely on the Bible as much as on scientific evidence. Third, they seem rather irrationally concerned with proving that the dinosaurs and people ran around together and that the world is not millions of millions of years old. I wonder why that is. Could it possibly be because if it is millions and millions of years old, then one of the claims in the Bible (if interpreted literally) turns out to be false? (I mean the date of the Earth if we go by the Bible). So, maybe you should pay more attention to the creationism aspect and realize that the tail is wagging the dog. These wonderful "scientists" of yours have no interest in dinosaurs: they care about proving something about the Bible. Creationism is at the heart of this; it's not a side issue.

PostPosted: 2007-06-17 02:12
by Harold
CocoAUS> Thankfully the mods have decided not to censor this thread.

Correction. The mods have not yet decided to censor this thread.

PostPosted: 2007-06-17 03:36
by gmedina
Telemachus, I totally agree with you.

CocoAUS wrote:2) would either provide an honest argument or admit that the evidence contradicts his presuppositions

Again, I haven't found much real scientific evidence (scientific in the way science is meant to be) that supports your post's argument and subsequent defenses.

PostPosted: 2007-06-17 04:17
by Bro.Tiag
gmedina wrote:Telemachus, I totally agree with you.

CocoAUS wrote:2) would either provide an honest argument or admit that the evidence contradicts his presuppositions

Again, I haven't found much real scientific evidence (scientific in the way science is meant to be) that supports your post's argument and subsequent defenses.


Aye, evolution's theory of creation is no more scientific as is the Bible's account of Creation. The question is then, does one trust God and His Word, or man and his mind?.

PostPosted: 2007-06-17 04:54
by gmedina
Bro.Tiag wrote:...trust God and His Word, or man and his mind

Science can't be reduced to a matter of "trusting". But only to give a reply to your fallacious question: No. You can't trust "God and His Word" since they do not exist (at most they are useful hypotheses); and: No, you can't trust "man and his mind" since... (well, there are so many obvious reasons).

PostPosted: 2007-06-17 05:07
by Vergil
Bro.Tiag wrote:Aye, evolution's theory of creation is no more scientific as is the Bible's account of Creation. The question is then, does one trust God and His Word, or man and his mind?.

There is NO theory of the creation of life from evolution. Evolution deals with the change in living things not how the started. The study of the start of life is abiogenesis.

PostPosted: 2007-06-17 05:33
by CocoAUS
Why are people asking for "scientific" evidence?

You are hearing about strong evidence that supports the idea that dinosaurs and man lived together. It's not "repeatable" in that you can't repeat finding bones and drawings in a cave, or somehow test a hypothesis about red blood cells being found on bones only thousands of years old in Alaska. Whether it's "scientific" or not, it's still evidence.

What's more, you are choosing to deny the data because you don't like the conclusion it leads to. You then find excuses for your rejection. Is that how science is done? By forming a conclusion first, then rejecting all day except that which coincides with your predetermined results?

Re: Dinosaurs and man living side by side

PostPosted: 2007-06-17 05:35
by Vergil
CocoAUS wrote:Isn't some of this rather compelling evidence that dinosaurs and man lived at the same time?

* Unfossilized dino bones with blood. No true, the "secular scientists" did not find this. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/blood.html
* They assume the bible is correct by default if evolution is wrong. False dilemma
* Dino images. People also painted pictures of women with huge hips. Do you think they existed?
* Dino tracks. Not human tracks http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC101.html
* A beast with trail like a cedar = dino. HA!

PostPosted: 2007-06-17 05:42
by Harold
I think that we've gone far enough here. This is a computer forum. Debian specifically. Off-topic in this forum refers to something that is at least computer related. Off-topic in this forum does not include religion. Those of you who want to have a discussion on religion should go to a religion forum.

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