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Re: Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

Postby justaguynpc » 2010-01-04 23:39

Jackiebrown wrote:
Coco wrote:So will any version of google chrome be available from the debian repos? I really want to install chrome but I absolutely refuse to install anything outside the official repos (I'm on squeeze) ! :P

One of the sidux guys packages the open source version

deb http://frickelplatz.de/debian/ sid main non-free contrib

I have been using it for the past few weeks. I find it faster than firefox and more stable. It does use more memory though since each tab uses it's own process. The nice side of that, though, is that I have never had 1 tab crash my browser which happened many times in firefox.

Order of browser use currently for me is:
Chroumium (96%)
Konqueror (3%) (Konquerer remembers secure passwords for me - like my banking and work email so I use it when I am feeling lazy)
Iceweasel (1%) (Just to grab some of my bookmarks)


I agree with jackiebrown. I have been using the "frickelplatz" chromium for probably just as long. Having had chrome installed left me with a creepy feeling, open-source gets to be a habit .........
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Re: Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

Postby AdrianTM » 2010-01-05 03:19

Why should I trust "frickelplatz" more than Google? Is there a straight way to compile the Chromium sources to test frickelplatz's binaries?

My understanding is that Google Chrome is pretty much Chromium with the Google logo and name added, pretty much like Firefox vs. Iceweasel, but I might be wrong... in any case I trust Google enough, and if they squander my trust and screw up their customers at least there's somebody who has lots of money to be sued, not so with some quasi-anonymous packager on the internet...
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Re: Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

Postby craigevil » 2010-01-05 04:39

AdrianTM wrote:Why should I trust "frickelplatz" more than Google? Is there a straight way to compile the Chromium sources to test frickelplatz's binaries?

My understanding is that Google Chrome is pretty much Chromium with the Google logo and name added, pretty much like Firefox vs. Iceweasel, but I might be wrong... in any case I trust Google enough, and if they squander my trust and screw up their customers at least there's somebody who has lots of money to be sued, not so with some quasi-anonymous packager on the internet...


well we all know the sidux devs are down right nuts:
http://www.sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic ... hrome.html
Any "debian"-package touching /etc/apt/ can be considered malware, and should be avoided.
There is also really no reason to use the packages from Google, as towo's Chromium packages are well done and always up to date. The deal is that you have to trust towo, instead of Google - well, my personal choice is clear here Wink.
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God forbid Google, Opera add a line to your sources.list so that the package stays updated. One more instance of them being nuts just like their stance on smxi and people that use Gnome or any other package they refuse to support even if it may be in "official" Debian repos.
From the Google Chrome page:
Note: Installing Google Chrome will add the Google repository so your system will automatically keep Google Chrome up to date. If you don't want Google's repository, do "sudo touch /etc/default/google-chrome" before installing the package.

Not like it doesn't warn you.

I am with Adrian on this one, better to trust Google than some hack.
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Re: Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

Postby Qew » 2010-01-05 13:38

craigevil wrote:well we all know the sidux devs are down right nuts:
http://www.sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic ... hrome.html
Any "debian"-package touching /etc/apt/ can be considered malware, and should be avoided.
There is also really no reason to use the packages from Google, as towo's Chromium packages are well done and always up to date. The deal is that you have to trust towo, instead of Google - well, my personal choice is clear here Wink.
Greetings,
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God forbid Google, Opera add a line to your sources.list so that the package stays updated.


Just a minor correction for correction's sake: Opera doesn't touch the sources.list file, it adds a file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory. Yeah, similar outcome, but at least it's not directly interfering with the sources.list file. If it sees that you do have an entry in sources.list for its repository (which had to be manually added), then it won't create the file in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory.
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Re: Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

Postby craigevil » 2010-01-05 13:48

Qew wrote:
craigevil wrote:well we all know the sidux devs are down right nuts:
http://www.sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic ... hrome.html
Any "debian"-package touching /etc/apt/ can be considered malware, and should be avoided.
There is also really no reason to use the packages from Google, as towo's Chromium packages are well done and always up to date. The deal is that you have to trust towo, instead of Google - well, my personal choice is clear here Wink.
Greetings,
Chris

God forbid Google, Opera add a line to your sources.list so that the package stays updated.


Just a minor correction for correction's sake: Opera doesn't touch the sources.list file, it adds a file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory. Yeah, similar outcome, but at least it's not directly interfering with the sources.list file. If it sees that you do have an entry in sources.list for its repository (which had to be manually added), then it won't create the file in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory.

Yeah thats the same place Google puts its repo.
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Re: Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

Postby justaguynpc » 2010-01-09 13:37

craigevil writes: "I am with Adrian on this one, better to trust Google than some hack."

Not that it makes any difference what software people use, or their reasons for using it, I choose to use what I do because it works for me. I do find it a little confusing though, craigevil, that your opinion of sidux developers, and now the open-source chromium package are at odds with the statement you made earlier (above).

After reviewing your Giant Debian sources.list the sidux repository and the frickelplatz repository for chromium are both found there.

Can you clarify for those users who may not understand your philosophy?

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Re: Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

Postby llivv » 2010-01-09 18:27

I can't speak for Mr C evil but I know that for me, I'm learning because I have to to test new "stuff".
Sometimes I learn something or other that changes my mind about what I have thought to be truth in the past.
Sometimes, like with our systems, there are conflicts with our projects that don't always need to be resolved for us to still be interested in them.
I know I like to test things a lot. I also think I'm not the only one here in that catagory.
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Re: Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

Postby craigevil » 2010-01-09 19:51

justaguynpc wrote:craigevil writes: "I am with Adrian on this one, better to trust Google than some hack."

Not that it makes any difference what software people use, or their reasons for using it, I choose to use what I do because it works for me. I do find it a little confusing though, craigevil, that your opinion of sidux developers, and now the open-source chromium package are at odds with the statement you made earlier (above).

After reviewing your Giant Debian sources.list the sidux repository and the frickelplatz repository for chromium are both found there.

Can you clarify for those users who may not understand your philosophy?

Thanks


The Giant sources.list is just a place I put all of the repos that have debian packages that I come across. I do have a sidux kernel along with the liquorix installed simply because I haven't been able to get a Debian kernel to boot since 2.6.26.

sidux itself is a good distro, it is just the attitude of some of the devs I do not agree with.
I have no issue with using chromium over chrome, I would rather trust Google. use what works for you. I gave up on chrome it is slower than Firefox and way slower than Uzbl for me.
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Re: Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

Postby sir fer » 2010-01-10 01:10

That explains why Opera won't leave my computer alone even when I uninstall and remove it from the sources.list

Also explains why I don't use opera too..can't stand nuisance-ware.
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Re: Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

Postby dbbolton » 2010-01-10 01:52

sir fer wrote:That explains why Opera won't leave my computer alone even when I uninstall and remove it from the sources.list

Also explains why I don't use opera too..can't stand nuisance-ware.


I remember getting into an argument about that exact issue. I think I was ultimately called paranoid (or maybe I imagined it).
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Re: Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

Postby deach » 2010-01-10 01:52

ok well after all the fuss about this, has anybody actually gotten this browser to "FULLY" work. Ie play movies in it, javascript, (national weather service still uses that here) and and not crash every few minutes? Just curious. I have to be totally honest here, my experience has left me with a bad taste in my mouth for either of the "chrome" browsers.
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Re: Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

Postby AdrianTM » 2010-01-10 02:17

deach wrote:ok well after all the fuss about this, has anybody actually gotten this browser to "FULLY" work. Ie play movies in it, javascript, (national weather service still uses that here) and and not crash every few minutes? Just curious. I have to be totally honest here, my experience has left me with a bad taste in my mouth for either of the "chrome" browsers.

I don't know what you are talking about, I'm using unstable version not even the beta and never saw a crash, and it plays Flash, Java (and this on a 64 bit system) just fine.
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Re: Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

Postby craigevil » 2010-01-10 02:28

$ apt-cache policy google-chrome-unstable
google-chrome-unstable:
Installed: 4.0.288.1-r35555
Candidate: 4.0.288.1-r35555
Version table:
*** 4.0.288.1-r35555 0
500 http://dl.google.com stable/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

works ok, but I find it is slower than Firefox and Uzbl.
These days I am using Uzbl like 99% of the time, and Firefox the other 1% for the odd site that doesn't work quite right with Uzbl like gmail.
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Re: Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

Postby deach » 2010-01-10 02:32

AdrianTM wrote:
deach wrote:ok well after all the fuss about this, has anybody actually gotten this browser to "FULLY" work. Ie play movies in it, javascript, (national weather service still uses that here) and and not crash every few minutes? Just curious. I have to be totally honest here, my experience has left me with a bad taste in my mouth for either of the "chrome" browsers.

I don't know what you are talking about, I'm using unstable version not even the beta and never saw a crash, and it plays Flash, Java (and this on a 64 bit system) just fine.


I just tried to use it to come here and check the forums and after trying 4 times to open it, I'm still not getting it to open. At any rate ya flash maybe the only thing it does right. I'm glad you're having good luck with it though. I'm runing 32 bit here and maybe that's the difference who knows. Even CraigE who has it isn't using it too much I see. Honestly firefox is just as fast here, and for a web kit to check some sites I do Arora works just fine. Good luck with it though. I think I'm gonna have to check uzbl out.
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Re: Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

Postby Bro.Tiag » 2010-01-10 02:34

craigevil wrote:These days I am using Uzbl like 99% of the time, and Firefox the other 1% for the odd site that doesn't work quite right with Uzbl like gmail.

"bout the only think I've had trouble w/ uzbl has been on-line email accounts. Some kind of a pop-up needed or some such.

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