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Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

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llivv wrote:Have you read the eula? Very near the end of the 4 pages of 8 point type, there is a clause stating you allow google unrestricted remote access the the code. See if you can find it and if it sounds right to you or no.
There have been a few blog entries at planet about google in the last few days too. One is about working to make the beta binary into a package if possible. They might still be up if you can find them.
Personally I think people worry too much. Google, yahoo, your own ISP all track things, using a search engine or webmail, IM all get tracked especially if you live in the USA or the UK.

Isn't it already a package? I installed it from the Google repo not from the Google install page.
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nifty,
man google-chrome , it actually has a man page.
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craigevil wrote: Personally I think people worry too much. Google, yahoo, your own ISP all track things, using a search engine or webmail, IM all get tracked especially if you live in the USA or the UK
That's true but having every place you go tracked and aggregated by a single company puts it in a different light, because it allows a very complete profile to be built. It's almost impossible to avoid having this information recorded, or so inconvenient that it's only worth doing in exceptional circumstances, but maybe it's better if any single entity can only build a fragmented and partial profile of each individual.

By this time next year it's possible that people will be running a Google OS using Google apps, the Google browser and Google DNS. Perhaps they will be syncing their data with their Google phone and at home will be making their voice calls over Google VOIP. Even the websites they visit which are not obviously associated with Google are likely to be using Google syndication and analytics. That is all extremely valuable data to all kinds of people, as well as to Google.
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Awww, come on...It is much more convenient for all that info to be in one place. That way the government only needs to deal with one company to manage my privacy and safety. It is so reassuring just thinking about it.

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#22 Post by nadir »

somehow i got a vague sympathy for: promote decentralization. *
when google starts to organize funerals and weddings i will start to be seriously concerned... or do they do that allready?

* as an example i don`t use my ISP`s email-accounts, they don`t need to know or store that much bout me
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refracta wrote:Awww, come on...It is much more convenient for all that info to be in one place. That way the government only needs to deal with one company to manage my privacy and safety. It is so reassuring just thinking about it.
Intrusive government is only one concern. Google isn't a charity, it collects the data in order to profit from it. Some of the publicly available software is free and/or for-free software because it makes sense to offer free to use apps and services while the real value is elsewhere. As non-paying consumers we don't have that much idea of what they can/might do with it, who else might benefit from it and so on, only some impossible to verify assurances and the mantra "Do No Evil". If all the data my ISP holds on me was leaked/sold to a marketing company or a criminal it would be a problem but not a disaster. They only have a partial picture of me online. They also supply my wired telephone but not my mobile phone. They don't supply my email service or my DNS, or any VOIP. But if I used a single company's DNS, mail, browser, search, office apps, storage, web gallery, payment systems, VOIP and mobile phone services then a single breach or inappropriate use of the data could reveal my whereabouts at any given time, movements, everyone I ever called, emailed, chatted to, every online shopping session (possibly even payment method and history), political affiliation, memberships of online communities, offline societies etc etc.

Also I tried the Google browser and it doesn't compare well with Iceweasel or even Midori. As far as I can tell it exists only in order to become the key part of the Google OS, and on other platforms to promote Google apps. As I don't intend to use Google's OS and I don't need their apps beyond a pop3 mail service then I'm much better off using a more capable browser.
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Tried it out for 15 minutes or so. It looks nice and seems to work OK but without Vimperator it's a no go for me.
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julian67 wrote: Google isn't a charity, it collects the data in order to profit from it.
Very true...that is how they offer me those great deals on the things I search for. It is a wonderful service. I think we should surrender all our privacy to a company and let them manage our life for us. It would be so much easier and so wonderful to have something that practically reads our minds and responds with exactly what we want. Like in that movie where the guy walks thru the mall and the displays talk to him by name. How cool would it be to go to the mall, after searching online for cashmere sweater, and as soon as we walk in the first display is automatically changed to show some cashmere sweaters and it actually speaks to us by name and lets us know that our size is in stock and that our bank balance is sufficient for the purchase and we would look lovely in the blue and grey sweater. Simply awesome. Never having to think about anything, plan anything, find things ourselves, or even worry about anything... awesome... We will be the most advanced species ever.

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refracta wrote:
julian67 wrote: Google isn't a charity, it collects the data in order to profit from it.
Very true...that is how they offer me those great deals on the things I search for. It is a wonderful service. I think we should surrender all our privacy to a company and let them manage our life for us. It would be so much easier and so wonderful to have something that practically reads our minds and responds with exactly what we want. Like in that movie where the guy walks thru the mall and the displays talk to him by name. How cool would it be to go to the mall, after searching online for cashmere sweater, and as soon as we walk in the first display is automatically changed to show some cashmere sweaters and it actually speaks to us by name and lets us know that our size is in stock and that our bank balance is sufficient for the purchase and we would look lovely in the blue and grey sweater. Simply awesome. Never having to think about anything, plan anything, find things ourselves, or even worry about anything... awesome... We will be the most advanced species ever.
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julian67 wrote:Long live Big Brother!
Ah, 1984. I thought about using that as the source of my metaphor, but we have been past Big Brother for so long it just didn't seem appropriate. We are pas 2010 also. I was asked the other day "when would this all end?" My reply was "When the Rapture comes." :mrgreen:
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jheaton5 wrote:
julian67 wrote:Long live Big Brother!
Ah, 1984. I thought about using that as the source of my metaphor, but we have been past Big Brother for so long it just didn't seem appropriate. We are pas 2010 also. I was asked the other day "when would this all end?" My reply was "When the Rapture comes." :mrgreen:
yes, we seem to be past Big Brother...governements and that... perhaps it`s merely like Umbrella Corporation?
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refracta wrote:soylent green is people!
Look what you did, you ruined the move for me.
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refracta wrote:...How cool would it be to go to the mall, after searching online for cashmere sweater, and as soon as we walk in the first display is automatically changed to show some cashmere sweaters and it actually speaks to us by name and lets us know that our size is in stock and that our bank balance is sufficient for the purchase and we would look lovely in the blue and grey sweater. Simply awesome.
Ahh, Minority Report. Unsettling movie, indeed. All hell breaks loose when you can't access the system any more. Give me a hand, please? Maybe an eye? :mrgreen:

Another interesting book to read in the context of this thread: The Handmaid's Tale, by Margaret Atwood. It's a novel with a strong feminist agenda, which will not be to some people's tastes, but along the way it offers a rather vivid rendering of the consequences of a completely "cashless society" as part of the setting for the plot.

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So will any version of google chrome be available from the debian repos? I really want to install chrome but I absolutely refuse to install anything outside the official repos (I'm on squeeze) ! :P
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Coco wrote:So will any version of google chrome be available from the debian repos? I really want to install chrome but I absolutely refuse to install anything outside the official repos (I'm on squeeze) ! :P
probably never. So no Opera, Skype, or any packages from debian-multimedia.org?
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