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Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

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refracta wrote:...How cool would it be to go to the mall, after searching online for cashmere sweater, and as soon as we walk in the first display is automatically changed to show some cashmere sweaters and it actually speaks to us by name and lets us know that our size is in stock and that our bank balance is sufficient for the purchase and we would look lovely in the blue and grey sweater. Simply awesome.
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Another interesting book to read in the context of this thread: The Handmaid's Tale, by Margaret Atwood. It's a novel with a strong feminist agenda, which will not be to some people's tastes, but along the way it offers a rather vivid rendering of the consequences of a completely "cashless society" as part of the setting for the plot.

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So will any version of google chrome be available from the debian repos? I really want to install chrome but I absolutely refuse to install anything outside the official repos (I'm on squeeze) ! :P
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Coco wrote:So will any version of google chrome be available from the debian repos? I really want to install chrome but I absolutely refuse to install anything outside the official repos (I'm on squeeze) ! :P
probably never. So no Opera, Skype, or any packages from debian-multimedia.org?
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#36 Post by sir fer »

There's always SRWare Iron for those with privacy concerns. I'm using it now but it only seems to work OOTB in sid, but as stated sometime ago it could be pebcak on my part, but you can d/l Iron un-tar it and it runs in its own folder like firefox in debian.

I think it was **** Gregory who said that the movies show us 3 things...what "they" have done, what "they" are doing and what "they" plan to do. From this POV, the movies certainly make a lot more sense.

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craigevil wrote:
Coco wrote:So will any version of google chrome be available from the debian repos? I really want to install chrome but I absolutely refuse to install anything outside the official repos (I'm on squeeze) ! :P
probably never. So no Opera, Skype, or any packages from debian-multimedia.org?
Never say never, most likely is not going to be Google Chrome, but there's probably nothing wrong with Chromium from Debian rules point of view. It's also ne special need people can install it from here: http://www.google.com/chrome
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craigevil wrote:
Coco wrote: So no Opera, Skype, or any packages from debian-multimedia.org?
Nope! I try to keep proprietary stuff out!
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#40 Post by oswaldkelso »

craigevil wrote:
Coco wrote:So will any version of google chrome be available from the debian repos? I really want to install chrome but I absolutely refuse to install anything outside the official repos (I'm on squeeze) ! :P
probably never. So no Opera, Skype, or any packages from debian-multimedia.org?

Not strictly correct. While debian-multimedia does not respect the normal, main, contrib, and non-free rules. It's a 3rd party site. There is free software in there, you just have to be picky as to what you install. It contains many applications/libs with patent concerns that are specific to the USA where Debian is based, But are free software as far as the GNU 4 freedoms. That same software maybe perfectly legal in another country. Like Finland. Mplayer is a prime example of free software in debian-multimedia but with patent concerns in the USA.
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llivv wrote:At the same time I found Iron a week or two ago I also found this thing Uzbl

I still don't really know what it is yet, But I try to play with it once or twice a week.
it's in main too
Uzbl - web interface tools which adhere to the unix philosophy. - http://www.uzbl.org/

IS pretty coool once you get the hang of the command. Light weight, fast and since it uses webkit, plugins like flash work.
Of course it is definitely a browser for geeks. It is one of those nifty tools like surfraw.
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craigevil wrote:
llivv wrote:At the same time I found Iron a week or two ago I also found this thing Uzbl

I still don't really know what it is yet, But I try to play with it once or twice a week.
it's in main too
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IS pretty coool once you get the hang of the command. Light weight, fast and since it uses webkit, plugins like flash work.
Of course it is definitely a browser for geeks. It is one of those nifty tools like surfraw.
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I owe livv and craigevil a big "thank you". I am loving uzbl so far.
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#44 Post by Serenity »

Well, I've finally given it a try. That's the official version, which I'm happy enough with for now (I was happy with Mozilla's official builds of Firefox for a long time, this isn't really much different), though I've noticed some things that I immediately don't like. Also, yes, 7/b/ is my homepage (the screenshot chosen appears to be as worksafe as /b/ can possible be). 4/b/ is dead to me.

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1) The tab bar. This is the biggest issue, and I spotted it as soon as the 'tabs on top' thing was suggested. I have an auto-hiding panel at the top of my screen, in the centre, taking up about 80% of the screen width. If I have tabs right at the top of the screen while the browser is maximized (and it is maximized, all the time), then I keep floating the panel by mistake. I've partially solved this by re-enabling the title bar (I'll probably leave that there) but a more permanent solution would be to place the tab bar underneath the location bar, the location bar being rarely used enough these days that it wouldn't be nearly as annoying. Unfortunately, I see no way of doing this right now.

2) You can see two buttons to the right of the location bar, which I will call Page Control and Chrome Control. There's also a button to the right of the bookmarks bar, which I will call Other Bookmarks. To my mind, these are all in the wrong place. Putting them on the right means the menus that they spawn sub-menus to the left of the original, unlike every other menu on my system. I would effectively 'flip' these, placing all of these buttons on the right. The location bar line would thus be Chrome Control, Page Control, Back, Forward, Refresh (and Home if present), then the location bar itself. The bookmarks bar line would start with Other Bookmarks, then have the bookmarks toolbar. Again, I see no way of doing this right now.

3) I can get rid of the 'Classic Theme' (which I considered to be ugly and hard to use) in favour of my default GTK+ theme, but it seems the scroll bar and page widgets use Chrome's theme no matter what. This has some practical advantages for the page widgets, but I don't see why the scroll bar must follow, and they both look ugly next to my GTK+ theme anyway. Also, the scroll bar doesn't do smooth scrolling and has no scroll buttons (Google may think these are a bad idea, but I'd like a say in the matter too thank you very much).

Aside from these three issues (which may be solvable in ways that I haven't found yet), the browser does seem promising though. It'd be nice to see Chromium or some other derivative in Debian someday.

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Coco wrote:So will any version of google chrome be available from the debian repos? I really want to install chrome but I absolutely refuse to install anything outside the official repos (I'm on squeeze) ! :P
One of the sidux guys packages the open source version

deb http://frickelplatz.de/debian/ sid main non-free contrib

I have been using it for the past few weeks. I find it faster than firefox and more stable. It does use more memory though since each tab uses it's own process. The nice side of that, though, is that I have never had 1 tab crash my browser which happened many times in firefox.

Order of browser use currently for me is:
Chroumium (96%)
Konqueror (3%) (Konquerer remembers secure passwords for me - like my banking and work email so I use it when I am feeling lazy)
Iceweasel (1%) (Just to grab some of my bookmarks)

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Jackiebrown wrote:
Coco wrote:So will any version of google chrome be available from the debian repos? I really want to install chrome but I absolutely refuse to install anything outside the official repos (I'm on squeeze) ! :P
One of the sidux guys packages the open source version

deb http://frickelplatz.de/debian/ sid main non-free contrib

I have been using it for the past few weeks. I find it faster than firefox and more stable. It does use more memory though since each tab uses it's own process. The nice side of that, though, is that I have never had 1 tab crash my browser which happened many times in firefox.

Order of browser use currently for me is:
Chroumium (96%)
Konqueror (3%) (Konquerer remembers secure passwords for me - like my banking and work email so I use it when I am feeling lazy)
Iceweasel (1%) (Just to grab some of my bookmarks)
I agree with jackiebrown. I have been using the "frickelplatz" chromium for probably just as long. Having had chrome installed left me with a creepy feeling, open-source gets to be a habit .........
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Why should I trust "frickelplatz" more than Google? Is there a straight way to compile the Chromium sources to test frickelplatz's binaries?

My understanding is that Google Chrome is pretty much Chromium with the Google logo and name added, pretty much like Firefox vs. Iceweasel, but I might be wrong... in any case I trust Google enough, and if they squander my trust and screw up their customers at least there's somebody who has lots of money to be sued, not so with some quasi-anonymous packager on the internet...
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AdrianTM wrote:Why should I trust "frickelplatz" more than Google? Is there a straight way to compile the Chromium sources to test frickelplatz's binaries?

My understanding is that Google Chrome is pretty much Chromium with the Google logo and name added, pretty much like Firefox vs. Iceweasel, but I might be wrong... in any case I trust Google enough, and if they squander my trust and screw up their customers at least there's somebody who has lots of money to be sued, not so with some quasi-anonymous packager on the internet...
well we all know the sidux devs are down right nuts:
http://www.sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic ... hrome.html
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There is also really no reason to use the packages from Google, as towo's Chromium packages are well done and always up to date. The deal is that you have to trust towo, instead of Google - well, my personal choice is clear here Wink.
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I am with Adrian on this one, better to trust Google than some hack.
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craigevil wrote:well we all know the sidux devs are down right nuts:
http://www.sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic ... hrome.html
Any "debian"-package touching /etc/apt/ can be considered malware, and should be avoided.
There is also really no reason to use the packages from Google, as towo's Chromium packages are well done and always up to date. The deal is that you have to trust towo, instead of Google - well, my personal choice is clear here Wink.
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God forbid Google, Opera add a line to your sources.list so that the package stays updated.
Just a minor correction for correction's sake: Opera doesn't touch the sources.list file, it adds a file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory. Yeah, similar outcome, but at least it's not directly interfering with the sources.list file. If it sees that you do have an entry in sources.list for its repository (which had to be manually added), then it won't create the file in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory.

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Qew wrote:
craigevil wrote:well we all know the sidux devs are down right nuts:
http://www.sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic ... hrome.html
Any "debian"-package touching /etc/apt/ can be considered malware, and should be avoided.
There is also really no reason to use the packages from Google, as towo's Chromium packages are well done and always up to date. The deal is that you have to trust towo, instead of Google - well, my personal choice is clear here Wink.
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God forbid Google, Opera add a line to your sources.list so that the package stays updated.
Just a minor correction for correction's sake: Opera doesn't touch the sources.list file, it adds a file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory. Yeah, similar outcome, but at least it's not directly interfering with the sources.list file. If it sees that you do have an entry in sources.list for its repository (which had to be manually added), then it won't create the file in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory.
Yeah thats the same place Google puts its repo.
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