The Trinity Project Picks Up Where KDE 3.5.10 Left Off

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Re: The Trinity Project Picks Up Where KDE 3.5.10 Left Off

Postby craigevil » 2010-05-27 00:52

Too bad they only have Ubuntu repos.
(K)ubuntu KDE3.5 Repository Installation Instructions

1. Add these lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list file:
For Lucid [STABLE] (2 lines):
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kde3-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kde3-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu lucid main

For Karmic [OLDSTABLE] (2 lines):
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kde3-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kde3-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu karmic main

For Jaunty [OLDSTABLE] (4 lines):
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kde3-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kde3-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kde3-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu intrepid main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kde3-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu intrepid main

For Intrepid [OLDSTABLE] (2 lines):
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kde3-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu intrepid main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kde3-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu intrepid main

2. Add the GPG signing key:
wget http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/public.gpg
sudo apt-key add public.gpg

3. Install KDE 3.5:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop-kde3


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Re: The Trinity Project Picks Up Where KDE 3.5.10 Left Off

Postby dbbolton » 2010-05-27 01:43

Any technology that develops a die-hard cult following will long exceed its life expectancy. Consider that some people are still playing 8-bit video games.
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Re: The Trinity Project Picks Up Where KDE 3.5.10 Left Off

Postby BioTube » 2010-05-27 01:47

I remember wanting something like this - too bad it's come so long after I learned to stop worrying and love the fourth.
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Re: The Trinity Project Picks Up Where KDE 3.5.10 Left Off

Postby craigevil » 2010-05-27 01:53

Don't get me wrong I loved kde3.5, kde4 is a total abomination. I have tried it multiple times, it hasn't managed to stay installed for more than 30 minutes each time. The day kde4 hit sid I installed lxde, took a while to replace all the apps I was used to using in kde3.5 but it was worth it. LXDE is fast and light just like kde 3.5.10 was.
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Re: The Trinity Project Picks Up Where KDE 3.5.10 Left Off

Postby ComputerBob » 2010-05-27 03:10

craigevil wrote:Don't get me wrong I loved kde3.5, kde4 is a total abomination. I have tried it multiple times, it hasn't managed to stay installed for more than 30 minutes each time. The day kde4 hit sid I installed lxde, took a while to replace all the apps I was used to using in kde3.5 but it was worth it. LXDE is fast and light just like kde 3.5.10 was.

I did the same thing with Xfce 4.6. After about a week, I stopped missing even KDE 3.5.10. I still miss a few KDE3 features, like seeing file properties when you hover over an icon, but Xfce is very light and fast, while being much closer to KDE3's functionality and stability than KDE4 was.
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Re: The Trinity Project Picks Up Where KDE 3.5.10 Left Off

Postby sir fer » 2010-05-27 04:45

craigevil wrote:Too bad they only have Ubuntu repos.

kde3.5.10 had a good run, let it die quietly like an old dog.


So why is it 'too bad' they only have Ubuntu repos?
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Re: The Trinity Project Picks Up Where KDE 3.5.10 Left Off

Postby canci » 2010-07-03 10:01

It strikes me that so many ppl were whining about KDE3, but now few ppl seem to care about having debian packages.
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Re: The Trinity Project Picks Up Where KDE 3.5.10 Left Off

Postby craigevil » 2010-07-03 10:59

sir fer wrote:
craigevil wrote:Too bad they only have Ubuntu repos.

kde3.5.10 had a good run, let it die quietly like an old dog.


So why is it 'too bad' they only have Ubuntu repos?


It would be nice if they did have Debian packages. I have grown fond of lxde since I switched to it, no reason to go back to kde3.
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Re: The Trinity Project Picks Up Where KDE 3.5.10 Left Off

Postby ComputerBob » 2010-07-03 11:39

craigevil wrote:I have grown fond of lxde since I switched to it, no reason to go back to kde3.

In the past year, I've read that Xfce development has sort of stalled, while LXDE development is progressing very rapidly. Is that still true, and is LXDE still pretty "bare-bones" compared to Xfce?
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Re: The Trinity Project Picks Up Where KDE 3.5.10 Left Off

Postby canci » 2010-07-03 12:40

ComputerBob wrote:
craigevil wrote:I have grown fond of lxde since I switched to it, no reason to go back to kde3.

In the past year, I've read that Xfce development has sort of stalled, while LXDE development is progressing very rapidly. Is that still true, and is LXDE still pretty "bare-bones" compared to Xfce?

Well, you have a file manager which has a trashcan and can automout (sadly only via HAL), you can do the usual things like setting your wallpaper, you have icons... it is pretty barebone. It has a pretty nice WinXP-style picture viewer, as well as a foobar-like audio player (without tabs however). The panel is pretty customizable, but not on par with any of the big ones. It only has a classical, Gnome-style/Windows9x-style menu, nothing like Mint/SuSE. But then again, Xfce's isn't that flashy either. Theming is rather lame: there is a separate prog for GTK themes, fonts and icons, but Openbox's theme and window fonts (LXDE's window manager) are set via obconf. The wallpaper again is set by yet another proggie accesible by right clicking the desktop. There is no special network manager - you install gnome's network manager or wicd. I also suggest gnome-power-manager if you are on a laptop. It uses lxterminal by default, though I rather like urxvt.

It kinda feels like the old Windows 95 times - you will have to supply most of the progs yourself by other means.

You can even start compiz, but it won't decorate your openbox, instead it'll use metacity. You can however substitute it for emerald. The compatibility, however, is very low and you have to tweak certain things in the Compiz settings.
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Re: The Trinity Project Picks Up Where KDE 3.5.10 Left Off

Postby craigevil » 2010-07-03 14:05

canci wrote:
ComputerBob wrote:
craigevil wrote:I have grown fond of lxde since I switched to it, no reason to go back to kde3.

In the past year, I've read that Xfce development has sort of stalled, while LXDE development is progressing very rapidly. Is that still true, and is LXDE still pretty "bare-bones" compared to Xfce?

Well, you have a file manager which has a trashcan and can automout (sadly only via HAL), you can do the usual things like setting your wallpaper, you have icons... it is pretty barebone. It has a pretty nice WinXP-style picture viewer, as well as a foobar-like audio player (without tabs however). The panel is pretty customizable, but not on par with any of the big ones. It only has a classical, Gnome-style/Windows9x-style menu, nothing like Mint/SuSE. But then again, Xfce's isn't that flashy either. Theming is rather lame: there is a separate prog for GTK themes, fonts and icons, but Openbox's theme and window fonts (LXDE's window manager) are set via obconf. The wallpaper again is set by yet another proggie accesible by right clicking the desktop. There is no special network manager - you install gnome's network manager or wicd. I also suggest gnome-power-manager if you are on a laptop. It uses lxterminal by default, though I rather like urxvt.

It kinda feels like the old Windows 95 times - you will have to supply most of the progs yourself by other means.

You can even start compiz, but it won't decorate your openbox, instead it'll use metacity. You can however substitute it for emerald. The compatibility, however, is very low and you have to tweak certain things in the Compiz settings.


The nice thing about LXDE it doesn't come with a million apps like Gnome/KDE. Plus its light weight, at boot I am only using around 50mb of ram.

pcmanfm uses gvfs to automount. Personally I think the kde4 menu and the Mint menu suck. I want a menu where I can find my apps.
Themes/icons use gtk themes, set using lxapearance. lxmusic is a front end for xmms2. I prefer using moc, shell-fm and mplayer.
If you don't like lxpanel it is simple enough to use awn, cairo, docky, etc. The screensaver uses xscreensaver so there are plenty of different ones to choose. lxtask is good enough to see what apps are using ram/cpu and to kill any if the misbehave. xarchiver works as well as ark or file-roller. Parcellite is a decent clipboard manager. LXDE supports keyboard shortcuts for many things including switching virtual desktops.

Not having a million packages like the big desktops means less packages to upgrade and less to worry about breaking.

I like simple but not quite as simple as just using a window manager.

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Re: The Trinity Project Picks Up Where KDE 3.5.10 Left Off

Postby jheaton5 » 2010-07-03 14:37

Wouldn't adding more functions to lxde defeat the purpose of having a lightweight desktop environment?
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Re: The Trinity Project Picks Up Where KDE 3.5.10 Left Off

Postby ComputerBob » 2010-07-03 15:38

jheaton5 wrote:Wouldn't adding more functions to lxde defeat the purpose of having a lightweight desktop environment?

:lol: If you take that argument to the extreme, then the ultimate lightweight desktop environment would have absolutely no functions at all. :lol:
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Re: The Trinity Project Picks Up Where KDE 3.5.10 Left Off

Postby jheaton5 » 2010-07-03 15:41

ComputerBob wrote:
jheaton5 wrote:Wouldn't adding more functions to lxde defeat the purpose of having a lightweight desktop environment?

:lol: If you take that argument to the extreme, then the ultimate lightweight desktop environment would have absolutely no functions at all. :lol:

True, but at some point after adding functions to lxde, you might as well switch to kde. Unless your purpose is to get lxde to function as a substitute for kde 4. I can understand that.
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