Trouble in the land of sidux

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Re: Trouble in the land of sidux

Postby Four23619 » 2010-08-07 17:12

nadir wrote:
What i don't like at the forum is the general hostility. Too much of fanboyism too.


Yup. I haven't been around here on the Debian forums much or for very long, but I must say, it's a far, far better place than the Ubuntu forums or sidux forums. Much, much better by far. The amount of rubbish posted on the Ubuntu and sidux forums.... yuck, not to mention the general unfriendliness and rudeness towards anything they don't agree with. Again, Debian forums are by far better and probably the best of all the Linux forums. Go into any section on these forums and find just about every single thread to be useful and interesting, as well as friendly. The same cannot be said for sidux forums, and Ubuntu forums.

Again, Debian all the way, even the forums are better.
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Re: Trouble in the land of sidux

Postby jheaton5 » 2010-08-07 17:22

julian67 wrote:Who cares if the install takes 5 minutes or 25 or 105? Who is installing often enough that it matters? Oh yeah...Sidux users with broken OS :D

I have tried Sidux twice in the past year. I returned to Debian sid both times because the system crashed. And since I was using aptitude instead of apt-get, I didn't dare post on the forum. :roll:
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Re: Trouble in the land of sidux

Postby nadir » 2010-08-07 17:44

jheaton5 wrote:
julian67 wrote:Who cares if the install takes 5 minutes or 25 or 105? Who is installing often enough that it matters? Oh yeah...Sidux users with broken OS :D

I have tried Sidux twice in the past year. I returned to Debian sid both times because the system crashed. And since I was using aptitude instead of apt-get, I didn't dare post on the forum. :roll:

But then you missed the biggest pleasure. Ok, i will give you a hand here:
"You did it wrong, plain wrong. You do it wrong. You will do it wrong. You are nothing, the ground we walk upon. WE know whats the best for you."
You now can call yourself a real sidux user.
:mrgreen:

btw: i like the OS itself, but as a live, as a installation its too touchy and crashes too fast (for me, but without doing anything wrong: aptitude, gnome, synaptic or upgrading from X i didn't do. Posting over there seems useless. The wiki is good.)
Bit of a pity they bork it with their attitude.
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Re: Trouble in the land of sidux

Postby jheaton5 » 2010-08-07 18:21

@nadir: Thanks so much. I feel enormously better now. :mrgreen:
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Re: Trouble in the land of sidux

Postby smallchange » 2010-08-07 20:32

Four23619 wrote:
nadir wrote:
What i don't like at the forum is the general hostility. Too much of fanboyism too.


Yup. I haven't been around here on the Debian forums much or for very long, but I must say, it's a far, far better place than the Ubuntu forums or sidux forums. Much, much better by far. The amount of rubbish posted on the Ubuntu and sidux forums.... yuck, not to mention the general unfriendliness and rudeness towards anything they don't agree with. Again, Debian forums are by far better and probably the best of all the Linux forums. Go into any section on these forums and find just about every single thread to be useful and interesting, as well as friendly. The same cannot be said for sidux forums, and Ubuntu forums.

Again, Debian all the way, even the forums are better.


Don't say that too loudly. We have a reputation for being elitist pricks that know everything and will not share it with anyone else. That helps keep the riffraff out. Many more posts like this and we will start to look like the Ubuntu forum.:)
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Re: Trouble in the land of sidux

Postby snowpine » 2010-08-07 21:18

I'm not privy to all the details, however there's nothing wrong in my opinion with saying "we don't support that, it is not recommended, please don't tell other users of our official support forums they should do it too, ps read the manual." That's great if you want to use aptitude in sidux, but they don't want you talking about it on their forums, and I respect that.

Most forums have certain "taboo" topics, in UbuntuForums for example you can't talk about root logins or politics (the above comments about Germans would certainly get censored over there). Debian Forums is moderated with a lighter touch than most. :)
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Re: Trouble in the land of sidux

Postby MeanDean » 2010-08-07 22:03

so I guess sidux isn't sid :lol:
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Re: Trouble in the land of sidux

Postby carlos.fonke » 2010-08-07 22:17

MeanDean wrote:so I guess sidux isn't sid :lol:

I installed sidux once or twice a couple of years ago. It was impressive, especially the quick installation.

Or so I thought until I read rick's characterization of it as a distro for newbies who wanted to feel like power users. Ouch, but I respected his opinion and I never considered using it again.
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Re: Trouble in the land of sidux

Postby nadir » 2010-08-07 22:44

I'm not privy to all the details,

For starters (sounds like you know it):
http://sidux.com/index.php?module=Wikula&tag=DisasterEN
So we got: gnome, aptitude,synaptic,localpurge...
Perhaps we should set up some taboos too. Mhhhh... gimp ok? rythmbox sucks too...tiling wm's in general give me the creeps.

Please? I must have missed it.

People who want to run Sid should be able to decide it on their own. People who want to run anything should be able to, btw.
But to say: "I am running sid(ux)" and needing a custodian (nany, baby-sitter) ... a bit odd, no?
Having fun, playing with the stuff out there, experiments, trying, testing, ...? "You are not allowed to! ".
Allowed? :lol:

PS: example: the idea of adding enlightenment, including a great how-to, came up a while ago. Check for the first reactions (should i say reflex?):
http://sidux.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB ... 45&start=0
I used it as my how-to for a while (of course on Debian).
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We at sidux make the impossible reality

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Re: Trouble in the land of sidux

Postby julian67 » 2010-08-07 23:23

nadir wrote:For starters (sounds like you know it):
http://sidux.com/index.php?module=Wikula&tag=DisasterEN


What an amazing list! It must be some kind of miracle that people who don't use Sidux and don't know these mysterious rules can even boot :shock:

In reality it is almost all nonsense and says a lot more about that project than about the methods/tools criticised.

I love number 11
11. Other causes may result from choosing the wrong option during upgrades. One should use the current configurations instead of the maintainer configurations during dist-upgrades in the first place. But it is often hard to decide which option to take, as not always keeping your personal configurations is the best choice.


So never do it....err...except when you should do it....err...um...hard to say...not sure..but if you don't follow this advice you're "on the road to disaster"!!!

Or how about:

7. Maintenance of your system with synaptic or any other apt GUI client


Seriously, unless you are doing dist-upgrade or upgrading X then it makes no difference at all. Here's an example of my wickedness: running testing/sid (default testing) I upgrade every day with apt-get dist-upgrade. Sometimes I add or remove packages using Synaptic. Occasionally I use aptitude just to see what it might do differently (nothing mostly). I only quit from the GUI environment if upgrading Xorg packages or the kernel. Nothing broke in years.

And then there's:

2. Using unofficial compiled applications on your system (non-debian, self compiled)


Strong smell of bs here. Self built packages are fine if you build them with proper version numbers and dependency info, or even if you don't if they aren't depends of other stuff. How is it exactly that my non Debian kernel works fine? And MPlayer and MEncoder from svn?. Or sox and mpd (compiled for lame support) and easytag (with patch for cddb issue)?

12. Do not use localepurge, not only does it remove unused language packages; but it tends to corrupts other files in the process. To set up your locale properly use


I'd love to see the proof of all these old wives' tales they try to turn into a religion. Maybe you should also throw salt over your shoulder, cross the road if you see a black cat, stay at home on Friday 13th and check your horoscope daily to find out if Sidux will break today. As far as I can tell the "road to disaster" they mention is the road you find yourself on if you install sidux..... Sid is really far from an ideal choice for most people, it's nuts to imagine that with some voodoo you can make it stable enough for everyday use and avoid breakage. That idea is where the fault lies, not with the tools/packages/methods they claim are dangerous. Their only "rule" that is really true is the one about burning the install CD in the right mode. My suggestion? Don't waste the blank disk, instead put Debian netinstaller or CD1 on USB flash drive and install an OS which works.
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Re: Trouble in the land of sidux

Postby BioTube » 2010-08-08 00:18

julian67 wrote:I only quit from the GUI environment if upgrading Xorg packages or the kernel. Nothing broke in years.
I've never shutdown X before upgrading the packages; I've occasionally ended up with a system that would screw up royally(as in, a black screen that wouldn't go away), but that was when r600 support was still extremely new and finicky(and I was using git versions). Outside of that, the only problem I had was with audio in Wine, which was caused by upgrading from a sidux installation(and solved by a clean install of Debian).
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Re: Trouble in the land of sidux

Postby craigevil » 2010-08-08 01:05

I have always done apt-get dist-upgrade in X, I also use Synaptic, when I used kde I used gtk-qt-engine.

I also use prelink and preload. When I tried kde4 I used Synaptic to install and to remove it.

localepurge has been installed since day 1 on my system.

never had both kde and Gnome installed and probably never will.
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Re: Trouble in the land of sidux

Postby Zoot » 2010-08-08 21:50

I had no idea the Sidux forums were that bad a place. I've dabbled with it somewhat myself, but not for quite a while now.
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Re: Trouble in the land of sidux

Postby cynwulf » 2010-08-09 10:37

Never dabbled with Sidux or been to their forums. From the sound of it, it's not somewhere I'd want to go. I've had my fill of places like that and the drooling fanboy slaves (aspiring moderators-to-be) that they attract.
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Re: Trouble in the land of sidux

Postby beavenburt » 2010-08-16 15:58

Some sort of announcement that doesn't really say a lot, make of it what you will:-
http://sidux-ev.de/index.php?name=News& ... ewlang=eng

Forum reaction:-
http://sidux.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB ... ic&t=21575

Whatever's going on there is a shame, I quite like sidux - my latest desktop theme is based on sidux. Where will I steal theming ideas from now? :D
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