What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby alan stone » 2017-12-30 05:33

^ Got curious after watching the screencast and found more details on your blog here and here. Interesting. Thanks. :)
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby ruffwoof » 2017-12-30 11:02

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:OpenBSD-current, same setup as Alpine

I've just switched over to OpenBSD-current (from -release) installed to bare metal. Downloaded bsd.rd to / (being in the uk I used a uk mirror https://www.mirrorservice.org/pub/OpenB ... ots/amd64/) booted that (at boot prompt entered boot boot.rd) and selected u (update), then pkg_add -u ... and quickly/relatively easily (mostly for me it was just accepting defaults) I'm now running with the latest version of firefox-esr ...etc.

Booting systemD (Debian Jessie) much less frequently now. OpenBSD now being my primary/default boot. Older version of firefox-esr as per the -release version was a concern for me, but now with switching over to -current resolving that :) :)

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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-12-30 11:12

That's nice , but
What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

What does it look like ?
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby ruffwoof » 2017-12-30 11:33

I was fixing the missing thumbnail image link just as you posted Garry.

Like Oswald I favour maximised windows and switching between those. I don't enable multiple desktops, just keep it all in the single desktop, where I have twm set to use tabbed window title bars so that some desktop space is visible to the left of the tab, which when clicked (or menu button pressed + arrow keys to navigate) presents the panel (yad), tray (stalonetray in my case) and twm icon manager (tray). I've recently moved those around as per the image I posted i.e. over to the right screen edge.
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-12-30 11:53

OK, thanks , I see it now,... interesting .
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2017-12-30 12:16

ruffwoof wrote:now running with the latest version of firefox-esr

I would strongly recommend using www/chromium instead because that runs fully under pledge(2), which is OpenBSD's (much more effective) equivalent of Linux's seccomp and offers much improved security.

Scrot of my fresh OpenBSD-current install to placate Garry:

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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby None1975 » 2017-12-30 14:18

Head_on_a_Stick, 94 packages in the system. Very nice!
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby ruffwoof » 2017-12-30 15:42

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:I would strongly recommend using www/chromium instead because that runs fully under pledge(2), which is OpenBSD's (much more effective) equivalent of Linux's seccomp and offers much improved security.

Thanks for that pledge /chromium tip. Now have it installed and feeling my way around (I've solely used firefox-esr for so long). I've added ublock origin, zoom page WE and ScriptSafe extensions in (NoScript, Ublock Origin and zoompage were the only things I had added to firefox-esr).

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Mmmm... stippling :mrgreen:

My desktop/background is a monochrome xbm, with a xsetroot command in .xsession to set the background to dark-blue and foreground to green. So one less third party program having to be installed. I also have two xclocks on the desktop, a standard analogue and another set as digital to shown the date.

I have previously thought about installing OpenBSD base along with just seamonkey - as that can also serve as a text/html editor that includes spell checking, listen to radio stations, watch videos etc., that along with online versions of spreadsheets (googledocs), email, calendar and image editors could pretty much cover my desktop needs. Perhaps mpv being the only other third-party/non-base program also being installed. Ditching firefox-esr to relearn a new browser (chromium) would seem like a good time to try out that though in practice.
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2017-12-30 21:38

None1975 wrote:Head_on_a_Stick, 94 packages in the system. Very nice!

Yes, thanks, I'm trying to stick to the base system whenever possible but as Oscar Wilde said:
I can resist everything except temptation

Anyway, my Haswell laptop now has a broken hinge so I had to convert my ThinkPad X201 to a dual-boot system.

There's no way I'm putting systemd (or sysvinit) on that so Alpine Linux it is...

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Dirty:

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That's dwm, firefox-esr, thunar & rxvt-unicode running KornShell (loksh in this case).
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby ruffwoof » 2017-12-30 22:27

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
None1975 wrote:Head_on_a_Stick, 94 packages in the system. Very nice!

Yes, thanks, I'm trying to stick to the base system whenever possible


Base OpenBSD 6.2 current (running twm) + chromium .... 69 packages in total

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Seems to play youtubes and BBC media OK ...etc.
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby debiman » 2017-12-31 08:52

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Scrot of my fresh OpenBSD-current install to placate Garry:
Mmmm... stippling :mrgreen:

punishment!
i wonder if that sort of bg made sense on crt monitors... on lcd it's just painful.
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2017-12-31 09:22

debiman wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Mmmm... stippling :mrgreen:

punishment!

Did you view the image at the native resolution?

It's actually rather nice on my laptop screen, kind of like one of those fabric-type tile wallpapers, I think I may even keep it that way (perhaps).

Wallpapers are bloat! :mrgreen:

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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby ruffwoof » 2017-12-31 11:57

Reverted back to firefox-esr. Chromium kept sticking for me (clicking bookmarks arrow sometimes just pulses without showing the bookmarks and had to close the tab ...etc. to get things working again).

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8 programs installed (pkg_info -mz ....)

firefox-esr-i18n-en-GB--
libreoffice--
mpv--
mtpaint--
osmo--
stalonetray--
xfe--
yad--

pkg_info | wc -l shows 128 packages in total.
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-12-31 15:15

Been experimenting with modifying the "css", in my fluxBB software,
so just thought I would share these.
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby oswaldkelso » 2017-12-31 16:16

@Alan Stone, ruffwooff thanks.

In these show your desktop threads, we see lots of pretty wallpapers but get no idea about workflow and what makes it better for the user. Usually it comes down to a fight between the terminal/desktop, tiling/stacking, keyboard/cursor or just plain bling.
Lots of youtube clips look choreographed and quite spectacular but when you see a tiling WM with big gaps between the tiles over use of the golden ratio it's failed already. Even a master with 2 or 3 smaller slaves takes up more screen than a well configured panel but offers little on a single workspace.
How many of these windows/tiles are you actually looking at and any one time? I could use a well configure notion with tabs and multiple workspaces but as someone once said around here "There's no hacker in my Granny". It fails on the intuitive front. Like wise stacking window managers with icons on the desktop, iconifing, and dragging windows around the screen to find what it's hidden are all failing at a base level.

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I think this is the most up to date ramblings, though over a year old so not current

http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/dr ... 00000.html

First off the naming: tbdtitw was a wee bit of a joke and drove everyone mad trying to say it and type it. Hence it was renamed microde (micro-DE). It boots to the desktop on my laptop with ps_mem showing 56MB, but I discovered the name was in use so tbditw just got shortened to TBD. At some point it was going to get a separate control panel but now it will have a separate config like LXDE so as to not bork a bog standard openbox.

I've tried many wm's, more than 20 in an effort to get a lighter but still feature full desktop. A desktop that anyone can learn in a few days but they never quite get the sweet spot of my current setup. The first thing I do when trying another setup is run fittstool. If it handles it OK then all my already learnt actions still work, A massive help when trying new environments.

All essential information should be available without touching the keyboard or mouse. For me that's:

date & time
CPU. So you know if something is still starting like a full blown browser on first start or if an application has hung
what's running on all workspace/desktops and what workspace is focused and which window is active on that workspace. Even if there are several windows open, and they're the same application. e.g. 3 leafpad windows.

This means I don't auto hide tint2. It also means tint2 is themed to have 1 pixel gaps and no padding or curved corners as this looses space. Basically it's as small as can be but showing as much info as possible. The font is likewise a Sans 8. As small as I can comfortably read and everything that's not a workspace doubles as a multiple launcher with up to 5 items. LMB, MMB, RMB, Wheel-UP, Wheel-down. That with fittstool means I get up to 102 launchers with tool-tips using the same action. Move mouse, read tip, click/scroll. Once you've got the location/muscle memory move+click/scroll. You can of course have 102 keybinds as well.

I also get the root menu from any blank space either in tint2 or blank spaces in between the fittstool compass points. It's a lot of bang for your buck, all this using less than a 217x217 window. Even on my netbook screen 1024x768 a window that size is and issue but a panel is not as it doesn't create dead space with my maximized windows.

The only time I run an application full screen is MPV when I watch a film.

It's very rare to need more than two of the TYPE "normal" (see xprop) windows open on the same workspace/desktop. Things like dia, Sodipodi and the old versions of the gimp get configured in openbox.rc as do other not normal TYPE windows. In fact nearly all the applications I use have a setting in rc.xml. Hence it's well over 2000 lines with comments.

The things I'd do to improve my setup:

Steal some of the better ideas from tiling wms for the rare occasions I'd use them.

window splitting only splits the last 2 active windows so if the last 2 active windows were leafpad on workspace 3 and geany on workspace 4 that's what it splits! Having to select and sometimes move the windows to be split. It only takes a second but is ungraceful. I like how Icewm tiles more than 2 windows well across the active workspace. I have wumwum it works, is light but a bit clunky with dual monitors so I never really got into it.

Be able to select the area between split windows and resize both at the same times. Dragging the edge of each widow irks me. I could set this up in openbox rc with the keyboard but not good for granny and I'm to lazy to spend the time

Other setups:

Honourable mentions to window lab, flwm and notion for at least trying to think ootb. If you want a light conventional desktop icewm has a very large feature set and can look good to but gets overlooked for shiny new heavy and usually less feature full alternatives.

When I installed flwm. I use flwm_topside because English text flows left to right, not up and down. The same reason I never put a panel on the side of the screen.
I also seem to recall installing v-desks on one of them to give multiple desktops on wm's that don't support them ootb.

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