What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2017-12-31 17:30

^ Fascinating explanation, thanks!
oswaldkelso wrote:Usually it comes down to a fight between the terminal/desktop, tiling/stacking, keyboard/cursor or just plain bling.
Lots of youtube clips look choreographed and quite spectacular but when you see a tiling WM with big gaps between the tiles over use of the golden ratio it's failed already. Even a master with 2 or 3 smaller slaves takes up more screen than a well configured panel but offers little on a single workspace. How many of these windows/tiles are you actually looking at and any one time?

I find that dwm (with the appropriate tiling algorithm) closest approaches my ideal workflow and whenever I switch to a stacker I find that I'm wasting too much time moving and resizing windows.

Here is suckless' own take on the advantages of the tiling paradigm:

https://dwm.suckless.org/dynamic_window_management

I tend to agree with them :)

oswaldkelso wrote:It boots to the desktop on my laptop with ps_mem showing 56MB

That's very impressive but...

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EDIT: try swapping bash for mksh to save a few MiB for each shell process that you run; it's also twice as fast as bash, which is nice.
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby debiman » 2017-12-31 18:55

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
debiman wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Mmmm... stippling :mrgreen:

punishment!

Did you view the image at the native resolution?

yes!
glad you like it, but i find it physically painful to look at.
i like lo-contrast stippling and such, but this, actual black/white, pains my eyes.
hence my thought that maybe this looked better (or more bearable) on crt monitors.
or maybe it's from a time when X servers had only 2 colors - but even then i'd have opted for plain black.
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby oswaldkelso » 2018-01-01 09:56

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:^ Fascinating explanation, thanks!
I find that dwm (with the appropriate tiling algorithm) closest approaches my ideal workflow and whenever I switch to a stacker I find that I'm wasting too much time moving and resizing windows.


Obviously I was not clear enough. And you seem to have missed this bit in the link :D

The issue with stacking window managers is they tend to expect you to iconify and raise or move and resize them. That in my opinion is also a fail.

You should never need to iconify a window it make no logical sense. If your iconifying it's to see something that's hidden. Your not closing it so intend to return to it. You should just start what it's hiding because that just one action.

You should never need to move a window unless it's to another desktop. If your moving it's to see something that's hidden. Your not closing it so intend to return to it. You should just start what it's hiding because that just one action.

Re-sizing windows is rarely needed if you run maximized. In general if your re-sizing windows your desktop setup is failing. You should rarely need to resize a window unless it's to split two windows on the same desktop. Perhaps to read a file and whilst entering text into a terminal.

iconifying makes no sense, if your iconifying it's to see something behind the active window or because your not wanting to use it currently. In either case you need to concentrate on what you do want to do, and do that instead. Just raise what your wanting to do and the window your trying to hid will just go down the stack.

The same goes for icons on the desktop. They make no sense. The desktop is just a directory and the application to manage directories is a file manager. It's the same number of actions to switch to your file manager as it is to switch to the desktop, and as it will be maximized... enough said.


That's why I was advocating running maximized and my openbox theme has no iconify button https://www.box-look.org/p/1191774/

Memory is a mute point when we're using so little. So dwm uses 2.6MB

172.0 KiB + 35.5 KiB = 207.5 KiB fittstool
2.3 MiB + 487.5 KiB = 2.7 MiB tint2
4.2 MiB + 515.0 KiB = 4.7 MiB openbox

uses 8MB

Some of the Dragora guys are using Herbstluft and claiming it's using half a Meg. Remember the how low can you go thread?
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=129223

It's easy to be light. But the point I was making was it needs to be usable by anyone including your granny. I'm talking about thinking of different ways of using your interface. How to address the failings of the current ones. I chose fittslaw with notifications, maximized windows and using a panel like browser tabs. You chose a more conventional model. A dynamic wm that distorts xclock :-)

That's cool, but could your granny use it? We'll have to disagree on dwm and dynamic wm's in general. If your a programmer dealing with mostly text in a terminal I can see they may work well. But for mixed content.... I don't think they're smart enough to change the layout dependent on the content type. Not yet. That means the user has to do it. That's why if I was to use a tiling wm I'd use a manual one, probably notion. But hey, run what you brung I say. Choice is good.

I'm assuming you were just wanting to show your wallpaper and there's nothing wrong with your algorithm seeing all that wasted space on your desktop scrot. :mrgreen:

Re the shell Dragora 3 alpha released last night has a light shell by default. Not much to it yet and they are still trying to see if it will build across all the arches. I've not even booted it to X yet. Maybe your cup of tea. Like Alpine or Void. The package manager qi can be used on any distro as it will build static packages so not interfere with their own package manager. Website is not up to date so finding the iso maybe a challenge and as I said it's very much a testers alpha so likely to change daily and will be full of bugs.
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2018-01-01 11:09

oswaldkelso wrote:Memory is a mute point when we're using so little. So dwm uses 2.6MB

172.0 KiB + 35.5 KiB = 207.5 KiB fittstool
2.3 MiB + 487.5 KiB = 2.7 MiB tint2
4.2 MiB + 515.0 KiB = 4.7 MiB openbox

uses 8MB

Yes but the codebase for my desktop is significantly smaller — in my fork of dwm (which is GPL'd), dwm.c is 1,916 lines[1] whereas openbox+tint2 runs quite a bit higher:
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alpine:~$ for p in dwm dmenu openbox tint2; do wc -l $(which $p);done
79 /usr/bin/dwm
36 /usr/bin/dmenu
509 /usr/bin/openbox
1370 /usr/bin/tint2
alpine:~$

oswaldkelso wrote:the point I was making was it needs to be usable by anyone including your granny.

Actually, I quite like the fact that my desktop is almost unusable to most other people, I consider this to be a security feature :mrgreen:

I would recommend GNOME for a user-friendly paradigm, it is lovely once you stop fighting it, IMO.

oswaldkelso wrote:I'm assuming you were just wanting to show your wallpaper and there's nothing wrong with your algorithm seeing all that wasted space on your desktop scrot. :mrgreen:

Yes, I made it myself, do you like it? :)

Fake "busy" scrot to stay on topic:

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As you can see, my preferences are for CLI-based programs rather than GUIs so dwm seems to suit me best.

suckless.org publish a list of software that works well with that window manager and it just so happens to be stuff I use anyway, which is nice:

https://suckless.org/rocks

oswaldkelso wrote:Re the shell Dragora 3 alpha released last night has a light shell by default. Not much to it yet and they are still trying to see if it will build across all the arches. I've not even booted it to X yet. Maybe your cup of tea. Like Alpine or Void. The package manager qi can be used on any distro as it will build static packages so not interfere with their own package manager. Website is not up to date so finding the iso maybe a challenge and as I said it's very much a testers alpha so likely to change daily and will be full of bugs.

Sounds interesting, I will check that out, thanks!

[1] https://github.com/Head-on-a-Stick/dwm/ ... ster/dwm.c
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby Lysander » 2018-01-04 22:47

Finally got round to installing Slackware on the netbook. This thing is slooooow so LXDE and a few pre-compiled binaries have done the job nicely so far. I'm not compiling any source larger than a few hundred K on this thing.

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LXDE very nicely done by ponce.
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2018-01-06 18:00

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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby Lysander » 2018-01-07 20:30

Wallpaper:

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LXDE is best with Onyx:

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Also sorted out the dark theme problem I was having and added new icons. Paper Mono Dark is awesome.
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby HuangLao » 2018-01-07 22:13

Wonderful lysander, welcome to the Slack side... :mrgreen:
You might like these wallpapers:
https://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2 ... allpapers/
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby ruffwoof » 2018-01-07 23:06

OpenBSD --current

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Dual boot with Debian Jessie (daily workhorse) using grub4dos. OpenBSD's installation is a breeze. In a existing boot download the latest bsd.rd snapshot from one of the mirrors to / and boot that (at the boot prompt enter "boot bsd.rd"). The cli install process is simple (mostly just accepting the defaults) and quick (9MB bsd.rd download size, rest installed via http, taking around 10 minutes in total).

Once booted to the latest snapshot I just mount my data partition (I have it set up so the first partition is Debian, second is data, third is OpenBSD) and run a script that installs copies of all of my config /etc/X11/xorg.conf, ~/.twmrc ... etc. (handful of files) ... and its ready to download/install the latest firefox or whatever (pkg_add firefox) ... after which I have a pristine factory fresh secure operating and browser ready to go. Using that approach for secure stuff (such as reinstalling a fresh system prior to paying bills each month etc.). For more casual daily browsing/stuff, Debian Jessie works great for me.

ext3 is a good portable choice for the data partition format as Linux can mount that as though it were ext4 whilst openbsd can rw to it as though it were ext2.
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby Lysander » 2018-01-08 10:14

HuangLao wrote:Wonderful lysander, welcome to the Slack side... :mrgreen:
You might like these wallpapers:
https://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2 ... allpapers/


Thanks for the welcome - will look at the wallpapers, thanks!
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby Seventh » 2018-01-08 11:59

void musl jwm, really low ram usage.

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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby Lysander » 2018-01-08 17:46

HuangLao wrote:Wonderful lysander, welcome to the Slack side... :mrgreen:
You might like these wallpapers:
https://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2 ... allpapers/


Agh there's no way I'm compiling that on the netbook though, shame. I'm look elsewhere for it.
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby HuangLao » 2018-01-09 18:55

lysander, I found these links it contains some of the wallpapers I linked to earlier but not all of them
https://wallpapercave.com/slackware-wallpaper
https://wallpaperset.com/slackware-wallpaper
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby None1975 » 2018-01-10 16:29

Very nice dwm customization, Head_on_a_Stick! I allready use it on my another Debian desktop. If you can, please share your wallpaper. And yes, keep a good work! Here a little screenshots
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Re: What does your non-Debian desktop look like?

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2018-01-10 16:36

^ Thanks!
None1975 wrote:please share your wallpaper

If you have inkscape installed you can generate your own:
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wget https://dwm.suckless.org/dwm.svg && inkscape --export-png=dwm.png --export-width=$(xrandr | awk -F' |x' '/ connected/{print $4}') dwm.svg

^ That should result in a dwm.png sized to your desktop ;)

Here's a pre-done 1920w version (in case you don't have inkscape):

https://www.scrot.moe/image/67iJ6
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