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Missing firmware wireless card
Missing firmware wireless card
Missing firmware for "Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter [14e4 : 4727] (rev 01)"
I don't know how to install proprietary firmware for my wireless card please help
I don't know how to install proprietary firmware for my wireless card please help
Re: Missing firmware wireless card
See the Debian wiki article.
https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
Or, if you don't have internet access, see the Ubuntu wiki article.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiD ... net_access
Should you encounter any problem, post with the exact detail. e.g. Which step did it fail, the exact message indicating failure, etc.
https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
Or, if you don't have internet access, see the Ubuntu wiki article.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiD ... net_access
Should you encounter any problem, post with the exact detail. e.g. Which step did it fail, the exact message indicating failure, etc.
Re: Missing firmware wireless card
I typed "leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list"
Then I added "http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free"
it did everything its expose to do until the end
"Setting up b43-fwcutter (1:015-14.1) ..."
"Setting up firmware-b43-installer (1:015-14.1)"
"No chroot environment found. Starting normal installation"
"Unsupported device(s) found: PCI id 14e4:4727"
"Aborting"
Then I added "http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free"
it did everything its expose to do until the end
"Setting up b43-fwcutter (1:015-14.1) ..."
"Setting up firmware-b43-installer (1:015-14.1)"
"No chroot environment found. Starting normal installation"
"Unsupported device(s) found: PCI id 14e4:4727"
"Aborting"
Re: Missing firmware wireless card
Exactly what packages did you install?
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Re: Missing firmware wireless card
Is the OP really running Debian Wheezy ? They should have told usfrom: https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
1. Add a "contrib" component to /etc/apt/sources.list, for example:
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# Debian 7 "Wheezy" deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
what version of Debian the are actually using in the first post, but didn't.
That would be fine if you are using Debian 7 , wheezy , as shown inPost by davidbnd » 2017-06-11 13:22
I typed "leafpad /etc/apt/sources.list"
Then I added "http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free"
the EXAMPLE, it is a example only, if some one is using Debian 8 they
would need to make the appropriate change.
(most people are using Debian 8, so that is why I am wondering)
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Re: Missing firmware wireless card
I went ahead and read the Debian wiki entry. For 4313 devices, it says to install the firmware-brcm80211 package: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-brcm80211
Though I'm just hoping that this works with the rev. 1 version. I seem to remember that it does.
Though I'm just hoping that this works with the rev. 1 version. I seem to remember that it does.
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Re: Missing firmware wireless card
changed wheezy to jessie
"http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free"
then i did "apt update"
then i got this
root@user07:/home/user07# apt update
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48] jessie InRelease
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48] jessie Release.gpg
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48] jessie Release
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48] jessie/main amd64 Packages/DiffIndex
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48] jessie/main Translation-en_US
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48] jessie/main Translation-en
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie InRelease
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie Release.gpg
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie Release
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/contrib amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/non-free amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/main amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/contrib amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/non-free amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/main amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/contrib amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/non-free amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/main amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/contrib amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/non-free amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/main amd64 Packages
404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.52.204 80]
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/contrib amd64 Packages
404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.52.204 80]
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/non-free amd64 Packages
404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.52.204 80]
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/contrib Translation-en_US
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/contrib Translation-en
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/main Translation-en
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/non-free Translation-en_US
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/non-free Translation-en
W: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dist ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.52.204 80]
W: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dist ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.52.204 80]
W: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dist ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.52.204 80]
E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
"http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free"
then i did "apt update"
then i got this
root@user07:/home/user07# apt update
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48] jessie InRelease
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48] jessie Release.gpg
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48] jessie Release
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48] jessie/main amd64 Packages/DiffIndex
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48] jessie/main Translation-en_US
Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48] jessie/main Translation-en
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie InRelease
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie Release.gpg
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie Release
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/contrib amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/non-free amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/main amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/contrib amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/non-free amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/main amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/contrib amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/non-free amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/main amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/contrib amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/non-free amd64 Packages
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/main amd64 Packages
404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.52.204 80]
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/contrib amd64 Packages
404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.52.204 80]
Err http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/non-free amd64 Packages
404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.52.204 80]
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/contrib Translation-en_US
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/contrib Translation-en
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/main Translation-en
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/non-free Translation-en_US
Ign http://httpredir.debian.org Jessie/non-free Translation-en
W: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dist ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.52.204 80]
W: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dist ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.52.204 80]
W: Failed to fetch http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dist ... 4/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.52.204 80]
E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
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Re: Missing firmware wireless card
What version of Debian are you actually using ?
And I think it would be a good idea to show us your /etc/apt/sources.list
file, the complete file. Please use the "code boxes".
And I think it would be a good idea to show us your /etc/apt/sources.list
file, the complete file. Please use the "code boxes".
Re: Missing firmware wireless card
Version
Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l
My source list
# Debian 8 "Jessie"
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ Jessie main contrib non-free
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48]/ jessie main
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48]/ jessie main
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
# deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
# deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l
My source list
# Debian 8 "Jessie"
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ Jessie main contrib non-free
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48]/ jessie main
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20170506-14:48]/ jessie main
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
# deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
# deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
Re: Missing firmware wireless card
Oh, I'm sorry. Forgot that b43 does not support BCM4313 so it was nonsensical to provice those wiki links.
As for the 404 error, I remember seeing something earlier this year that the 'httpredir' service had been dropped. So maybe change to another mirror?
If for whatever reason you cannot fix the apt update error for the moment, you might as well download the package @stevepusser suggested and install manually. Wouldn't need any extra dependency.
As for the 404 error, I remember seeing something earlier this year that the 'httpredir' service had been dropped. So maybe change to another mirror?
If for whatever reason you cannot fix the apt update error for the moment, you might as well download the package @stevepusser suggested and install manually. Wouldn't need any extra dependency.
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Re: Missing firmware wireless card
Ok, thanks, you should take a look at this :
https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
There is some good examples of what the sources.list file should contain.
I am sorry, I am not able to explain very well on the sources.list file,
but the examples in the wiki are good,...
Before you do anything more, it would be a good idea to wait,
and check back here later, hope fully some one that can explain
better , will do so.
In the mean time, read what it says in the wiki, on the sources.list,
and look at the examples,..
There also is this :
https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/apt/ ... .5.en.html
I am assuming you have Debian installed, and it is working , except
for the firmware and wireless card ?
Do you have a internet connection, besides Wifi, that works ?
https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
There is some good examples of what the sources.list file should contain.
I am sorry, I am not able to explain very well on the sources.list file,
but the examples in the wiki are good,...
Before you do anything more, it would be a good idea to wait,
and check back here later, hope fully some one that can explain
better , will do so.
In the mean time, read what it says in the wiki, on the sources.list,
and look at the examples,..
There also is this :
https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/apt/ ... .5.en.html
I am assuming you have Debian installed, and it is working , except
for the firmware and wireless card ?
Do you have a internet connection, besides Wifi, that works ?
Re: Missing firmware wireless card
yes
I'm missing the firmware for the wireless card
and I'm connected to the Internet with Ethernet cable
I'm missing the firmware for the wireless card
and I'm connected to the Internet with Ethernet cable
Re: Missing firmware wireless card
Hello, davidbnd,
Please take a careful look at the forum thread below, and I think following those instructions should get your WiFi up and running. I have that same card in my old netbook; the driver and firmware you want to install is the "brcm80211" (as mentioned previously by stevepusser):
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=127718
"BCM4313 802.11bgn doesn't work in Jessie." 27 Mar. 2016.
I'll post my sources.list file (found at /etc/apt/sources.list) shortly, as soon as I get the netbook fired up. OK ... here is a copy of mine, for the sake of comparison:
Here is the point version of Jessie I'm running:
HTH and Good luck.
< Edit:
If your problem updating is related to a mirror issue, you might try this idea. If you can't update your system at all because of the "Not Found" error, first change your sources.list back to the "default" / stock setting as shown here:
https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
Update your system.
If that is successful, next install the handy "netselect-apt" utility and run it. It will help identify your fastest Debian mirror. If you haven't ever installed netselect-apt, here is a brief description of it:
http://www.debianadmin.com/select-faste ... t-apt.html
"Select fastest Debian mirror using netselect-apt." 11 Dec. 2013. >
Please take a careful look at the forum thread below, and I think following those instructions should get your WiFi up and running. I have that same card in my old netbook; the driver and firmware you want to install is the "brcm80211" (as mentioned previously by stevepusser):
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=127718
"BCM4313 802.11bgn doesn't work in Jessie." 27 Mar. 2016.
I'll post my sources.list file (found at /etc/apt/sources.list) shortly, as soon as I get the netbook fired up. OK ... here is a copy of mine, for the sake of comparison:
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# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8 _Jessie_ - Official Snapshot i386 LIVE/INSTALL Bin$
# 20150606-16:25]/ jessie main
deb http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
# jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free
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david@tlacuache:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
8.8
< Edit:
If your problem updating is related to a mirror issue, you might try this idea. If you can't update your system at all because of the "Not Found" error, first change your sources.list back to the "default" / stock setting as shown here:
https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
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deb http://deb.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free
deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian jessie main contrib non-free
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian jessie-updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian jessie-updates main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
If that is successful, next install the handy "netselect-apt" utility and run it. It will help identify your fastest Debian mirror. If you haven't ever installed netselect-apt, here is a brief description of it:
http://www.debianadmin.com/select-faste ... t-apt.html
"Select fastest Debian mirror using netselect-apt." 11 Dec. 2013. >
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Re: Missing firmware wireless card
Ok, thanks,..that is good .
I am a little confused, by what stevepusser says here:
There seems to be the same package available for Jessie:
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-brcm80211
=== for the down load===
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/ ... 1/download
But pay attention to what it says:
https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/ ... 1/download
Steve needs to clarify on this, I do not think a Debian Wheezy package
should be installed on Debian Jessie,...
@ OP, I think you should wait on installing this until steve clarafies this,
he know much more about this then I do.
As far as I know, the "httpredir" service is still available, but it can't hurt to try another mirror,...by orythem27 »As for the 404 error, I remember seeing something earlier this year that the 'httpredir' service had been dropped. So maybe change to another mirror?
I am a little confused, by what stevepusser says here:
Does this apply to Debian Jessie as well ?stevepusser wrote:I went ahead and read the Debian wiki entry. For 4313 devices, it says to install the firmware-brcm80211 package: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-brcm80211
Though I'm just hoping that this works with the rev. 1 version. I seem to remember that it does.
There seems to be the same package available for Jessie:
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-brcm80211
=== for the down load===
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/ ... 1/download
But pay attention to what it says:
The same is said about the package for Debian wheezy:
If you are running Debian, it is strongly suggested to use a package manager like aptitude or synaptic to download and install packages, instead of doing so manually via this website.
You should be able to use any of the listed mirrors by adding a line to your /etc/apt/sources.list like this:
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian jessie main non-free
Replacing ftp.de.debian.org/debian with the mirror in question.
https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/ ... 1/download
If you are running Debian, it is strongly suggested to use a package manager like aptitude or synaptic to download and install packages, instead of doing so manually via this website.
You should be able to use any of the listed mirrors by adding a line to your /etc/apt/sources.list like this:
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian wheezy main non-free
Replacing ftp.de.debian.org/debian with the mirror in question.
Steve needs to clarify on this, I do not think a Debian Wheezy package
should be installed on Debian Jessie,...
@ OP, I think you should wait on installing this until steve clarafies this,
he know much more about this then I do.
Re: Missing firmware wireless card
I added repositories
then updated it
then i found the firmware in my synaptic managers
its said i have it installed now
but still doesn't work?
then updated it
then i found the firmware in my synaptic managers
its said i have it installed now
but still doesn't work?
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Re: Missing firmware wireless card
I believe that Garry is correct. It has been a while since I installed the necessary packages on my netbook (so my memory is fuzzy), but I think you must reboot after Step #3 (the "modprobe" command) for the change to take effect.
Then, proceed to Step # 4 for configuring the interface: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
If that doesn't get the WiFi working, please describe in more detail exactly what you've done so far, and also post the output of the command below. (Note: you will need to become the root user before typing the command).
I'm posting the output from my system to give you an approximate idea of what you might see:
Also, please tell us which Desktop Environment you are using: Gnome? KDE? MATE? Xfce? LXDE? (That information will let people know which Network Manager utility you are trying to configure).
I will do my best to continue helping you, but I'm not a WiFi guru, so if more advanced troubleshooting is needed I will step aside. However, there are lots of knowledgeable people here and I'm sure that someone will chime in with good ideas / suggestions on how to get things sorted out.
Then, proceed to Step # 4 for configuring the interface: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse
If that doesn't get the WiFi working, please describe in more detail exactly what you've done so far, and also post the output of the command below. (Note: you will need to become the root user before typing the command).
I'm posting the output from my system to give you an approximate idea of what you might see:
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root@tlacuache:~# iwconfig
wlan0 IEEE 802.11bgn ESSID:"Deimos97"
Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: 20:4E:7F:96:1E:68
Bit Rate=65 Mb/s Tx-Power=30 dBm
Retry short limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
Encryption key:off
Power Management:off
Link Quality=68/70 Signal level=-42 dBm
Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:119 Missed beacon:0
lo no wireless extensions.
eth0 no wireless extensions.
I will do my best to continue helping you, but I'm not a WiFi guru, so if more advanced troubleshooting is needed I will step aside. However, there are lots of knowledgeable people here and I'm sure that someone will chime in with good ideas / suggestions on how to get things sorted out.
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Re: Missing firmware wireless card
Thanks, I mean this https://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors ... 00000.htmlGarryRicketson wrote: As far as I know, the "httpredir" service is still available
And it seems to indicate that it has switched mechanisms and "this means users should not see any interruptions." Thanks to clarify.
Oh, thanks. I'm so sorry, I should totally be more verbose there. What I had in mind was certainly the jessie package, but now I've had a good lesson that the other people won't magically penetrate my thought, especially for those who just had their first taste of Linux.GarryRicketson wrote: Does this apply to Debian Jessie as well ?
There seems to be the same package available for Jessie:
Re: Missing firmware wireless card
I think stevepusser or any potential helper may need to see the output of the following to determine whether correct drivers are loading :davidbnd wrote:then i found the firmware in my synaptic managers
its said i have it installed now
but still doesn't work?
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lsmod | egrep 'wl|b43|brcm|ssb'
dmesg | egrep 'wl|b43|brcm|ssb|firmware'
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rfkill list all
iwconfig
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Re: Missing firmware wireless card
According to the wiki, that device should be using the kernel's brcmsmac driver. if you run as sysadmin
it will tell you some information about your kernel's version, including what files it expects for firmware and where it would like to find them in /lib/firmware. Then you can check to see if the firmware files are actually there.
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modinfo brcmsmac
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