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Re: Debian installed without GUI - Howtos questions

Postby robergto » 2017-09-03 01:09

Hi there @furquan!
I must say that you understan, indeed, my situation. Thanks for the links and the info! I guess that I know something so far, like 'cd', 'mkdir', 'ls' and some other stuff I've been coming across, like 'fdisk -l' or 'iwconfig wlan0 up'. But that is not knowledge, just some commands that I copy from tutorials or forums posts-stack answers.
So here I go, keep on learning. I'll take a look at the pdf you recommend, and the wiki too.
I have given a thought at xfce, for it's lightweight fame. So far, run 'apt-get install xorg' but did not go further. I'm taking a look at what Garry sugested, this openbox windows manager.

Thanks!!!
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Re: Debian installed without GUI - Howtos questions

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-09-03 01:37

When you have installed "xorg" , you should be able to type 'startx'
at the prompt and if all went well it will start.
Note: it is not recommended to run 'startx' as root, make sure you run it
as a normal user.
Also :
user $startx

If no window manager has been installed a solid black screen will appear. Since this can also be a sign that something is wrong, the x11-wm/twm and x11-terms/xterm packages can be installed only to test X.


You may have to do some configuration, before you can install a WM,
or a DE
https://wiki.debian.org/Xorg

Like wise, if you install "openbox", when it starts, it appears to just be
a black screen , the menus are activated when you "right click" the mouse,..
https://wiki.debian.org/Openbox
You also will probably want this :
Graphical Tools

Obconf

ObConf is a small graphical utility which configures Openbox's preferences and configuration settings on the fly.

If you are an Openbox user, you probably want this package.

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# apt-get install obconf

The package "tint2" is very use full as well, it gives you a tool panel, where you can have the "tools" you use the most , as icons, it makes it easier to access them.
It all can be set up so it starts automatic, when you start openbox if you wish,
I don't have it that way. When I login , it is at the console, if I want to, I type
'startx', and get the TWM window manager by default, from there , if I want to
I can start openbox.
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Re: Debian installed without GUI - Howtos questions

Postby robergto » 2017-09-03 13:43

Garry, my man, you're great. Almost, like your parrots =D
That's exactly what I have been doing last night, hehe. Installed xorg, run it as root, didn't know =S and a black screen, with the prompt on the top, appeared. Could no type, but seemed ok, so installed openbox. Awesome, that's just the way a box should look to me, not a thing on the screen, but the mouse cursor (not a flashy one indeed), and basic windows. Kind of melancholical I am, I miss the 90's and its graphics!
I also installed tint2, and got to understand that in order to get it on the screen, I had to edit the autostart file. All things that were impossible some days ago! It lets me see how things are done, been reading about desktop environmnts and windows managers, their difference and the like. Had no idea that the 'taskbar' is a program!
As you state, I like it the same way. No gui for login, and if want it, startx and there it goes. Your screen helped me a lot, thanks! And you understood what I was trying to talk about. Thanks again.

Oh, and found something about resolution, 'xrandr', that must be familiar to you, but it amazed me that changing resolution could be done like that. You know how easy the windows system can put things!

Very happy I am now with the debian look, and learning a little each minute. I really am thankful to you guys, told me many things and pointed me in the right direction. I clearly understand that it takes time and effort to learn something, specially 'The Unix way'.

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Re: Debian installed without GUI - Howtos questions

Postby arochester » 2017-09-03 13:54

This can be useful: http://lxlinux.com/
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Re: Debian installed without GUI - Howtos questions

Postby robergto » 2017-09-03 13:57

Useful indeed!
You see what I mean, such a lot of info to digest!

Thanks @arochester!
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Re: Debian installed without GUI - Howtos questions

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-09-03 15:58

Your welcome, and glad to see you like openbox, actually it seems pretty rare
that people like things similar to the way I do,..
I just barely scratch the surface, don't really know much.
Any way, here is a feature I like, but it does require "ImageMagick"
Image Magick is especially suited for CLI use, but it does have a "menu", GUI as well, which is helpful ,especially when first using it. Their web site also is full of scripts,examples and documentation on the commands.
I use it for all kinds of things, including resizing images on the servers, which is remote, ssh access, cli only.
In many threads, here on this forum I see people struggling with a extremely
complex and confusing process that Gnome uses, just to add a background or "wallpaper",... On the OpenBox WM, with ImageMagick, it is sooo simple, :
Image
You can use any image, in any directory, simply open the image with the
'display ' command
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display  pancho.png
#(or any name)

Then in the "miscellany" selection > background , Use 0x00, this will give you a "cross hair" thing, you use to select the area of the image, I select the entire screen , click background :
Image
And have my current background, easy to change whenever I want to. It can be configured to load the same image all ways, but I change my mind often and often select a different image every time I boot.
The 'import' command is great for screen shots, 'scrot' is also a good screen shot utility, but I find "import" more simple.
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Re: Debian installed without GUI - Howtos questions

Postby MALsPa » 2017-09-03 16:19

arochester wrote:This can be useful: http://lxlinux.com/

Nice! Openbox is my favorite, but I've never seen that article before. Thanks for the link!
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Re: Debian installed without GUI - Howtos questions

Postby robergto » 2017-09-04 00:53

Thanks Garry! I'll take a look at it. Still don't have a server, but who knows... =D
Your parrots rule!

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Re: Debian installed without GUI - Howtos questions

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-09-04 01:33

Your welcome,
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Re: Debian installed without GUI - Howtos questions

Postby sunrat » 2017-09-04 02:34

GarryRicketson wrote:Your welcome,

*You're :wink:
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Re: Debian installed without GUI - Howtos questions

Postby alan stone » 2017-09-04 06:45

arochester wrote:This can be useful: http://lxlinux.com/

Image
Very useful indeed, thanks! :D
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Re: Debian installed without GUI - Howtos questions

Postby robergto » 2017-09-04 19:26

=D Alan, I must say that is what happens all the time around here! So much info to digest. It's not just reading, but typing! Nevertheless, it's fun, and of a very good use for the brain :)
Just found about hidden files, they start with a dot. Amazingly simple. Might seem laughful for old linux timers. Me, I hope to become one!

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Re: Debian installed without GUI - Howtos questions

Postby furquan » 2017-09-06 05:58

robergto wrote:Hi there @furquan!
I must say that you understan, indeed, my situation. Thanks for the links and the info! I guess that I know something so far, like 'cd', 'mkdir', 'ls' and some other stuff I've been coming across, like 'fdisk -l' or 'iwconfig wlan0 up'. But that is not knowledge, just some commands that I copy from tutorials or forums posts-stack answers.
So here I go, keep on learning. I'll take a look at the pdf you recommend, and the wiki too.
I have given a thought at xfce, for it's lightweight fame. So far, run 'apt-get install xorg' but did not go further. I'm taking a look at what Garry sugested, this openbox windows manager.

Thanks!!!

Ah no problem. Always glad to help newbies. One thing to keep in mind though is that even though most of the Linux documentation is applicable everywhere, you have to learn the specifics of the environment you're in (Debian, in this case). The wiki is a good source for that so always prefer it to other sources when troubleshooting or finding documentation.

arochester wrote:This can be useful: http://lxlinux.com/

That's really an awesome guide. If I had found it while I was looking at WM options I'd probably have gone with Openbox instead of i3. One thing I noticed in that guide is that in the Java section it says that Oracle's JDK is the best JDK which might have been true if you go back 10 years but now OpenJDK is completely supported and there's no need to install a 3rd party proprietary software from an untrustworthy company. OpenJDK is now the reference implementation (yes, the Oracle JDK is just a bunch of proprietary add-ons) and probably the best choice for end-user and (non-EE) developers.

Debian is overall pretty lightweight when compared to pushover distros like Ubuntu or Fedora so it doesn't matter what DE or WM you go with. In my experience, most DEs/WMs are configurable enough (though some are more configurable than the others) to make them suit your workflow. But in the end all that matters is how much you learn from the experience.
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Re: Debian installed without GUI - Howtos questions

Postby Gaius » 2017-09-09 01:45

Hey all,

this is a good thread, and I like the way robergto goes about things.

I'm doing something very similar to reacquaint myself with Linux again after many years of a forced Windows diet.
I've installed KDE (I've always liked that DE, and if I install a Desktop, I might as well have one which is fully equipped), but I try to do as much as possible with the CLI and only use the DE for easier research and to help me out when I'm stuck.

It's great fun relearning Linux, and as for Debian ... well, I've always liked to drive Mercedes, hehehe.

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Re: Debian installed without GUI - Howtos questions

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-09-14 22:25

The OP may have all ready found the 'cal' command, but in any event,
the CLI has a real nice calendar command, 'cal'
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man cal

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$ cal -y
                              2017                             

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