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[SOLVED]Am I missing something here?

Postby Alamo1 » 2017-09-22 14:49

Hi All,

Complete newbie to Linux and Debian here and also my first post on this forum, so please be gentle.

A few days ago I decided to try my hand at installing stretch 9.1.0 and chose the Xfce desktop. Installation seemed to go smoother than I originally expected, but there doesn't appear to be anything within the GUI environment to add/modify 'users and groups'. I am aware that this is a task best suited to the CLI, but had expected the option to be there within the GUI to use at least until I find my around this new fangled OS.

On installation I chose not to enable the root account and am logged in as the default user who is a member of the sudo group. For all I know, there could be several other things missing which should be there, but one thing at a time is perhaps the best way to go.

Could someone help please by pointing out my error?

Thanks in advance,

Alan
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Re: Am I missing something here?

Postby Bulkley » 2017-09-22 15:12

Do a fresh install. This time create a root password when prompted to do so. Create the user account and password. You need them both.
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Re: Am I missing something here?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-09-22 15:23

Well, I am not a XFCE user, but if it was me , the first thing I would do is
try: How to modify users and groups using Xfce

And the first hit : https://helpdeskgeek.com/linux-tips/create-a-new-user-account-in-xfce-linux/
This seems to give a very straight forward answer, did you try that ?

I am aware that this is a task best suited to the CLI,

That is how I do it.
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man adduser

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man useradd

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man groups


Could someone help please by pointing out my error?

Well, I would rather not, because people all ways get offended when it is
pointed out, but have you tried reading any of the abundant documentation
at Debian.org and https://wiki.debian.org/ ?
any way you asked,...
by Bulkley » 2017-09-22 09:12
Do a fresh install. This time create a root password when prompted to do so. Create the user account and password. You need them both.

Read the installation documentation carefully before doing the install, instead
of after a failed or botched install.
"What we expect you have already Done"

Before doing anything, read the Debian documentation:
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Re: Am I missing something here?

Postby alan stone » 2017-09-22 15:33

And have a look to what shows up when searching for example: debian GUI to add/modify users and groups or xfce add/modify users and groups
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Re: Am I missing something here?

Postby Alamo1 » 2017-09-22 18:08

Bulkley wrote:Do a fresh install. This time create a root password when prompted to do so. Create the user account and password. You need them both.


I tried that before posting here, but have just completed a fresh install to make absolutely sure. Both root and user passwords created during install......same result, still no 'Users and Groups' control panel!
I've installed and re-installed more times than I can remember during the last few days. Also tried different ISO images with various combinations of install options, but get the same result each time.
Just to be sure I haven't gone completely mad and missed something obvious, I've replicated the exact procedure used above with an install of 9.1.0 Cinnamon and everything works fine.
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Re: Am I missing something here?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-09-22 18:16

still no 'Users and Groups' control panel!


Did you look at the link, I showed, It should be there:
"applications" > system > users and groups
The pictures are very clear.
From: https://helpdeskgeek.com/linux-tips/create-a-new-user-account-in-xfce-linux/
===== edit ====
Removed image, it was to big, and also not accurate:

====edited===
Ok, well maybe it is not there by default :
Using the results from : https://duckduckgo.com/?q=xfce+add%2Fmodify+users+and+groups&ia=web
as suggested by alan stone , I found this:
https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6251
Really??
Which distro are you using?

I am a Debian user and gnome-system-tool does not have all those dependencies...None it has nautilus as dep.

~$ aptitude show gnome-system-tools
Pacchetto: gnome-system-tools
Stato: installato
Installato automaticamente: no
Versione: 2.30.2-2
Priorità: opzionale
Sezione: gnome
Responsabile: Jose Carlos Garcia Sogo <jsogo@debian.org>
Dimensione pacchetto installato: 11,0 M
Dipende: gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~),
libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libfontconfig1 (>=
2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.27.0), libglib2.0-0
(>= 2.18.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), liboobs-1-4 (>= 2.30.0),
libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpolkit-gobject-1-0 (>= 0.94),
libpolkit-gtk-1-0 (>= 0.94), perl, system-tools-backends (>= 2.9.4),
policykit-1-gnome
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Re: Am I missing something here?

Postby Alamo1 » 2017-09-22 18:27

GarryRicketson wrote:Well, I am not a XFCE user, but if it was me , the first thing I would do is
try: How to modify users and groups using Xfce

Been doing that for days on end and haven't come up with an answer yet. Hence my reason for registering here.

And the first hit : https://helpdeskgeek.com/linux-tips/create-a-new-user-account-in-xfce-linux/
This seems to give a very straight forward answer, did you try that ?

I would if I had a 'Users and Groups' control panel to try it with.

I am aware that this is a task best suited to the CLI,


That is how I do it.

Code: Select all
man adduser

Code: Select all
man useradd

Code: Select all
man groups


Me too, but it doesn't help figure out why there is no 'Users and Groups' control panel in the Xfce GUI.

Could someone help please by pointing out my error?


Well, I would rather not, because people all ways get offended when it is
pointed out, but have you tried reading any of the abundant documentation
at Debian.org and https://wiki.debian.org/ ?
any way you asked,...

I've got to admit that I possibly didn't read enough of the above before my first attempt, but since then I've done nothing else but read anything I can find and watched youtube video's etc. I've followed the documentation at Debian.org to the letter, but get the same result in Xfce each and every time. Same thing does not happen with Cinnamon.

by Bulkley » 2017-09-22 09:12
Do a fresh install. This time create a root password when prompted to do so. Create the user account and password. You need them both.

Read the installation documentation carefully before doing the install, instead
of after a failed or botched install.
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Re: Am I missing something here?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-09-22 18:40

I don't understand why the OP feels the need to post a full quote like that.
Any way also , based on the search results, I find this:
(right here on this forum)
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=20487

by garrincha »It is indeed a gnomes tool. Xfce4 and gnomes integrated quite nicely, and the menu in xfce4 remains simple and uncomplicated.


It is a old thread, but apparently , it has not changed and you need to install
the Gnome tools,... I think you would be better off just learning to use the
CLI.
P.S
Maybe read this , when you have a chance : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=130997
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Re: Am I missing something here?

Postby p.H » 2017-09-22 18:46

Bulkley wrote:Do a fresh install. This time create a root password when prompted to do so. Create the user account and password. You need them both.

Reinstall just because the OP did not set a root password ? You must be joking.
Since the standard user is a sudoer, they can set a root password anytime they want after the installation with
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sudo passwd


Alamo1 wrote:I tried that before posting here, but have just completed a fresh install to make absolutely sure. Both root and user passwords created during install......same result, still no 'Users and Groups' control panel!

What did you expect ? Why would there be any relationship between the two ?
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Re: Am I missing something here?

Postby stevepusser » 2017-09-22 18:50

It's because it's gnome-system-tools, not xfce-system-tools. There is a tweak that can get the xfce settings manager to show any settings tool, which we applied to the version in MX Linux, but it was a while ago, and I have unfortunately forgotten what I did to enable that, or if it was something you can tweak yourself or if I needed to recompile one of the base xfce libraries. I do remember that the project manager just provided a link that showed what I needed to do, and it worked, so probably even weak google-fu can find the answer. If you have a lot of settings tools installed, as I do, the panel can get pretty cluttered:

Image

But you can access it from the menu, right?

And if you're a new Debian xfce user, you can certainly improve its looks from the horrible Debian default.
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Re: Am I missing something here?

Postby Alamo1 » 2017-09-22 18:58

[quote="GarryRicketson"]I don't understand why the OP feels the need to post a full quote like that.
Any way also , based on the search results, I find this:
(right here on this forum)
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=20487

Apologies for that, but I did so in order to clarify my answers to the questions you asked and suggestions you made.
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Re: Am I missing something here?

Postby Bulkley » 2017-09-22 19:02

p.H wrote:Reinstall just because the OP did not set a root password ? You must be joking.


Because the OP is an admitted newbie and had nothing to lose by doing it over.
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Re: Am I missing something here?

Postby Alamo1 » 2017-09-22 19:06

Alamo1 wrote:I tried that before posting here, but have just completed a fresh install to make absolutely sure. Both root and user passwords created during install......same result, still no 'Users and Groups' control panel!

What did you expect ? Why would there be any relationship between the two ?[/quote]

I've tried so many different combinations of install during the last few days that I'd completely lost track of what I had, and hadn't tried. Didn't expect it to work, but thought I'd give it a go anyway, just incase I'd missed something. Other than slightly more of my natural hair colouring, nothing lost!
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Re: Am I missing something here?

Postby GarryRicketson » 2017-09-22 19:10

No problem, in any event, apparently the "users and groups" panel is not
there, in default XFCE install.
Just to be sure I haven't gone completely mad and missed something obvious

So on that, no you have not gone mad, If you like Cinnamon you can stay with that, if you want the "users and groups" feature on XFCE , you will need to install the additional "gnome-system-tools".
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Re: Am I missing something here?

Postby Alamo1 » 2017-09-22 19:20

stevepusser wrote:But you can access it from the menu, right?


No, 'Users and Groups' isn't there!
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