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[Solved] Best way to install minimal GNOME Stretch.

Postby Chiefahol2 » 2018-05-30 15:20

$ sudo aptitude install –without-recommends gdm3

https://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=167714

Apparently this is the way to install gnome3 without the bloatware, i really don't like that it debians gnome comes bundled with dozens of programs that cannot easily be removed. :( (like evolution, screw you evolution, i'm never going to use you and i have no idea how to remove you!) xP

Does anyone know the best way to get a minimal GNOME 3 installation?

Solution: GNOME is not that minimal, but the 'gnome-core' package is essentially what you want to install to do this.
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Re: Best way to install minimal GNOME Stretch.

Postby Bulkley » 2018-05-30 15:39

Minimal Gnome sounds like an oxymoron to me. Minimal and Gnome don't belong in the same sentence. Having said that, I suspect that one could install the necessary pieces without the metapackage.
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Re: Best way to install minimal GNOME Stretch.

Postby arochester » 2018-05-30 15:42

Does anyone know the best way to get a minimal GNOME 3 installation?


Do a Netinstall.

Follow this >>> https://www.maketecheasier.com/build-li ... nd-laptop/

But where it says LXDE substitute from the stuff you quote

Gnome also has several packages to choose from. Click the links and see what is install
task-gnome-desktop
OR
gnome-core

Well, the package dependencies are a bit strange. task-gnome-desktop calls recommends Firefox. gnome-core , on the other hand, calls Firefox or Chromium as a real dependency. That makes no sense, since gnome-core of task-gnome-desktop depends. If you do not like Firefox, both metapackages will be dropped.
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Re: Best way to install minimal GNOME Stretch.

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2018-05-30 19:54

Minimal GNOME is my favorite way of installing Debian :)
In addition to the above post, I wouldn't advise leaving out the recommends. Most are vital to the functioning desktop. Package gnome-core does not install Evolution, and a lot of other utilities such as gnome-screenshot.
If you know which packages you need, you can install them all in one single command after booting to CLI from the minimal netinstall.
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Re: Best way to install minimal GNOME Stretch.

Postby Chiefahol2 » 2018-05-30 23:15

arochester wrote:
Does anyone know the best way to get a minimal GNOME 3 installation?


Do a Netinstall.

Follow this >>> https://www.maketecheasier.com/build-li ... nd-laptop/

But where it says LXDE substitute from the stuff you quote


That link is 7 years old :P and for wheezy. Any comment on the method i posted? I've been on Debian for years but the metapackage system still confuses me and i always end up breaking shit when messing with metapackages.

Gnome also has several packages to choose from. Click the links and see what is install
task-gnome-desktop
OR
gnome-core

Well, the package dependencies are a bit strange. task-gnome-desktop calls recommends Firefox. gnome-core , on the other hand, calls Firefox or Chromium as a real dependency. That makes no sense, since gnome-core of task-gnome-desktop depends. If you do not like Firefox, both metapackages will be dropped.


gnome-core is the other way to go, but yes even that has a few packages you might not like.

Minimal GNOME is my favorite way of installing Debian :)
In addition to the above post, I wouldn't advise leaving out the recommends. Most are vital to the functioning desktop. Package gnome-core does not install Evolution, and a lot of other utilities such as gnome-screenshot.


So you would recommend avoiding the above method and simply using:

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$ sudo apt install gnome-core


?
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Re: Best way to install minimal GNOME Stretch.

Postby bw123 » 2018-05-30 23:24

Bulkley wrote:Minimal Gnome sounds like an oxymoron to me. Minimal and Gnome don't belong in the same sentence. Having said that, I suspect that one could install the necessary pieces without the metapackage.


I agree with Bulkley, you want gnome or you don't. What is to be gained from your post? You've been on debian for years, but don't understand metapackages?

Check the logic.
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Re: Best way to install minimal GNOME Stretch.

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2018-05-31 13:22

Chiefahol2 wrote:So you would recommend avoiding the above method and simply using:

$ sudo apt install gnome-core


Yes. That will also install GNOME Software, which you can use to install other programs using convenient graphical interface, like a proud noob :D
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Re: Best way to install minimal GNOME Stretch.

Postby Wowfunhappy » 2018-05-31 15:36

I've been doing:
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apt install --no-install-reccomends gnome-session
apt install nautilus gnome-control-center

For a while now. Leaves you with far fewer stuff installed than gnome-core, and it seems to work well. (You could even leave off the second line, although IMO not having a file manager or the control center is a bridge too far.)

I can then install the Flatpak versions of the Gnome apps I want, as is my preference.

Edit: so, the full process would be to install Debian from the netinstall iso without selecting a desktop environment, then running those commands to install gnome. Then you can start gnome after bootup with startx.
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Re: Best way to install minimal GNOME Stretch.

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2018-05-31 15:48

^You should do that only if you know what you are doing, and know in advance which other packages you need to install in order to have a working system. In the end, you will end up with most of the things included in gnome-core metapackage. So not something I would recommend to a newbie.
In addition, Flatpaks+minimal is a contradiction in itself. Flatpaks are used for things you absolutely need up-to-date and software which isn't in the standard repos.

As an example, yesterday libcurl4 upgrade on Sid broke my Viber .deb installation, so I needed to get it from Flathub instead.
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Re: Best way to install minimal GNOME Stretch.

Postby debiman » 2018-05-31 17:14

i'm thinking of something clever to say that hasn't been said yet, just to subscribe to this thread.
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Re: Best way to install minimal GNOME Stretch.

Postby sunrat » 2018-05-31 18:43

Wheelerof4te wrote:In addition, Flatpaks+minimal is a contradiction in itself.

Indeed. Flatpaks would be one of the least minimal ways to install applications.

debiman wrote:i'm thinking of something clever to say that hasn't been said yet, just to subscribe to this thread.

:D I reckon Flatpaks and Snaps are a Microsoft conspiracy. :twisted:
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Re: Best way to install minimal GNOME Stretch.

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2018-05-31 18:54

sunrat wrote:I reckon Flatpaks and Snaps are a Microsoft conspiracy. :twisted:

No, the entire GNOME DE is a one big Microsoft conspiracy. Why else are Linux people fleeing in droves to a more traditional Windows-style desktop experience? /s
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Re: Best way to install minimal GNOME Stretch.

Postby Chiefahol2 » 2018-05-31 23:44

Wheelerof4te wrote:
Chiefahol2 wrote:So you would recommend avoiding the above method and simply using:

$ sudo apt install gnome-core


Yes. That will also install GNOME Software, which you can use to install other programs using convenient graphical interface, like a proud noob :D


Thankyou! Except this installation process led me to an unstable desktop that is constantly freaking out over file transfers and crashing/freezing. :P I saw this in Deb 10 KDE now i'm seeing the same stuff is happening in Deb 9 GNOME. It's horrible tbh. Here is a link:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=137694
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