Scheduled Maintenance: We are aware of an issue with Google, AOL, and Yahoo services as email providers which are blocking new registrations. We are trying to fix the issue and we have several internal and external support tickets in process to resolve the issue. Please see: viewtopic.php?t=158230
Ubuntu vs Debian
Re: Ubuntu vs Debian
Here we goneuraleskimo wrote:Good ideas. Go for it...Chrisdb wrote:IMHO a better question would be why everyone on this forum uses Debian as their (main) distro.
Maybe a separate sticky post would be helpful to prevent such future questions...
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=144676
Re: Ubuntu vs Debian
I now bring your attention to item #4 of said Social Contract:Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Debian is better because of the Social Contract.
And the reality of the pending General Resolution: Init systems and systemd on which users have no vote:4. Our priorities are our users and free software
We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software community. We will place their interests first in our priorities. We will support the needs of our users for operation in many different kinds of computing environments . . .
Choice 1: F: Focus on systemd
May the FORK be with you!
- Head_on_a_Stick
- Posts: 14114
- Joined: 2014-06-01 17:46
- Location: London, England
- Has thanked: 81 times
- Been thanked: 133 times
Re: Ubuntu vs Debian
^ I really don't think users should have a vote in GRs and I don't agree with you characterisation of the available choices. Furthermore I have linked the popcon statistics (over on your forums) which show that only ~1% of Debian users are booting with sysvinit so it does look like the community has already decided.
Anyway, this is all getting off-topic. Why do you prefer Debian (or Devuan) over Ubuntu?
Anyway, this is all getting off-topic. Why do you prefer Debian (or Devuan) over Ubuntu?
deadbang
- oswaldkelso
- df -h | grep > 20TiB
- Posts: 1497
- Joined: 2005-07-26 23:20
- Location: UK
- Has thanked: 1 time
- Been thanked: 60 times
Re: Ubuntu vs Debian
Hoas stop taking the piss.Head_on_a_Stick wrote:^ I have linked the popcon statistics (over on your forums) which show that only ~1% of Debian users are booting with sysvinit so it does look like the community has already decided.
1. Ordinary users won't do anything but run the default so that's most of that 99%.
2. The many technical users just accept it, if they like it or not.
3. The other technical users have jumped ship to other distros.
Maths can say what ever the mathematician wants it to say
Anyway back on topic. Given we have such as short list of distros and if my life depended on having to make a choice I'd choose Debian
Free Software Matters
Ash init durbatulûk, ash init gimbatul,
Ash init thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
My oldest used PC: 1999 imac 333Mhz 256MB PPC abandoned by Debian
Ash init durbatulûk, ash init gimbatul,
Ash init thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
My oldest used PC: 1999 imac 333Mhz 256MB PPC abandoned by Debian
- Head_on_a_Stick
- Posts: 14114
- Joined: 2014-06-01 17:46
- Location: London, England
- Has thanked: 81 times
- Been thanked: 133 times
Re: Ubuntu vs Debian
Never!oswaldkelso wrote:Hoas stop taking the piss.
And don't get me wrong, I do agree with your points but if the apostates had remained, installed sysvinit-core and enabled popcon that might have forced the hand of the developers in respect of alternate init system support.
deadbang
Re: Ubuntu vs Debian
Very telling that you would suggest that it's the victim's fault for not accepting the continuing assaults of the abuser.Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Never!oswaldkelso wrote:Hoas stop taking the piss.
And don't get me wrong, I do agree with your points but if the apostates had remained, installed sysvinit-core and enabled popcon that might have forced the hand of the developers in respect of alternate init system support.
May the FORK be with you!
-
- Posts: 195
- Joined: 2019-03-12 23:26
Re: Ubuntu vs Debian
Very good and thanks. But, the link doesn’t work.Chrisdb wrote:Here we goneuraleskimo wrote:Good ideas. Go for it...Chrisdb wrote:IMHO a better question would be why everyone on this forum uses Debian as their (main) distro.
Maybe a separate sticky post would be helpful to prevent such future questions...
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=144676
- Soul Singin'
- Posts: 1605
- Joined: 2008-12-21 07:02
Re: Ubuntu vs Debian
We're all human. We all have a tendency to "blame the victim."golinux wrote:Very telling that you would suggest that it's the victim's fault for not accepting the continuing assaults of the abuser.Head_on_a_Stick wrote:And don't get me wrong, I do agree with your points but if the apostates had remained, installed sysvinit-core and enabled popcon that might have forced the hand of the developers in respect of alternate init system support.
So let's think clearly. Would a bunch of sysvinit-core in popcon really "force the hand of the developers?" The vehement opposition to systemd did not "force their hand," so what reason is there to think that some statistics would?
Re: Ubuntu vs Debian
HoaS is grasping at straws. Freedom is always at risk even under the guise of "free software". We need a fifth freedom because the 4 current ones are obviously inadequate to deal with free software that is essentially being "weaponized" to limit/control users freedoms.Soul Singin' wrote:So let's think clearly. Would a bunch of sysvinit-core in popcon really "force the hand of the developers?" The vehement opposition to systemd did not "force their hand," so what reason is there to think that some statistics would?
May the FORK be with you!
- Head_on_a_Stick
- Posts: 14114
- Joined: 2014-06-01 17:46
- Location: London, England
- Has thanked: 81 times
- Been thanked: 133 times
Re: Ubuntu vs Debian
There was already a thread about that so the mods merged it: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 5&p=712633neuraleskimo wrote:Very good and thanks. But, the link doesn’t work.Chrisdb wrote:http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=144676
Because Debian use popcon to inform decisions like this and the current figures have been used on the mailing lists as an argument for dropping support for alternative init systems.Soul Singin' wrote:what reason is there to think that some statistics would?
Anyway, enough of this diversion, please open a new thread if you (or golinux) want to discuss this further. Thanks.
deadbang
Re: Ubuntu vs Debian
Because of that Debian is organized rationally and all the packages available are organized horizontally, I mean all of them have the same importance no matter what one is an essential library or a fancy utility. In Ubuntu there are packages that are considered important and are in the main repo and packages that are considered second class citizen, available in the universe repo, and those can be buggy for an entire cycle (even in a LTS). Ubuntu is quite prone to promote proprietary software against the floss alternatives.Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Debian is better because of the Social Contract. The only contact Ubuntu want is a financial one...
-
- Posts: 102
- Joined: 2019-08-02 04:28
Re: Ubuntu vs Debian
What about those that use and love it but don't necessarily consider it their "main?"Chrisdb wrote:IMHO a better question would be why everyone on this forum uses Debian as their (main) distro.
Maybe a separate sticky post would be helpful to prevent such future questions...