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Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby debergerac » 2020-05-01 08:18

Hi,
which differences between Debian and Ubuntu?
thanks
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Re: Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2020-05-01 09:09

Debian rules and Ubuntu drools :mrgreen:
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Re: Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby Hallvor » 2020-05-01 10:33

How about a little search?
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=differences+u ... fab&ia=web

The main difference is the release schedule: Ubuntu has more recent software and less stability. Debian has older and better tested software.

If you are familiar with guns, Ubuntu is like a Hi-Point, while Debian is like a well made 1911. :wink:
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Re: Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby arochester » 2020-05-01 11:37

Try both online at https://distrotest.net/
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Re: Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby morse_the_horse » 2020-05-04 16:50

I have both. Two Debian and one Ubuntu. Ubuntu is controlled by a private company. They include a lot of junkware from their "partners". While I do not specifically know they steal information from you to use for advertising or other purposes, it sure seems that way based on what I have seen on my Ubuntu system.

My first system was Ubuntu but I have installed numerous Debians both for myself as well as for others wanting a Linux system instead of Windoze. When the version of Ubuntu goes out of support, I'll likely make the effort to convert it.

My favorite is Debian with gnome and cinnamon for its simplicity with useful features and ease of setting up desktop launchers. Not sure I really like the gnome because of its complexity but it does have some nice features but thank goodness, Cinnamon makes it worthwhile.

On the other hand, I have found better help with Ubuntu's forum. That forum has a lot less snarkiness and is more controlled (also more controlling about what is posted). Humor is not appreciated there and senior people can and will edit your posts.

Need handholding? Go with Ubuntu.

Want privacy? Use Debian.

Just one 35 year Unix user/admin/support person but only 10 with Linux and no longer the extensive internals knowledge I used to have.
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Re: Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby NFT5 » 2020-05-04 21:27

morse_the_horse wrote:They include a lot of junkware from their "partners".


Examples?

morse_the_horse wrote:My favorite is Debian with gnome and cinnamon


Gnome and Cinnamon?

morse_the_horse wrote:Want privacy? Use Debian.


Sure. But the privacy issues with Ubuntu were some time ago and Canonical went to some trouble to assure users that these parts of the package had been removed and I'm not aware of any current issues. If you'd like to correct my thinking, and probably that of many others, then I'm sure that I would be open to be convinced by solid evidence.
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Re: Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby morse_the_horse » 2020-05-06 17:01

morse_the_horse wrote:They include a lot of junkware from their "partners".

NFT5 wrote:Examples?


There was stuff for Amazon and a lot of other private companies. I spent a lot of time getting rid of that junk.

morse_the_horse wrote:My favorite is Debian with gnome and cinnamon

NFT5 wrote:Gnome and Cinnamon?


Your point?

morse_the_horse wrote:Want privacy? Use Debian.

NFT5 wrote:Sure. But the privacy issues with Ubuntu were some time ago and Canonical went to some trouble to assure users that these parts of the package had been removed and I'm not aware of any current issues. If you'd like to correct my thinking, and probably that of many others, then I'm sure that I would be open to be convinced by solid evidence.


Well, if you claim all that stuff was removed, I can't dispute it. I think you are acknowledging that it existed. You are now claiming it is all gone. Your evidence? My experience when I installed it was that it was there. I can't prove that it is not still there as I have not installed a system since then that has Ubuntu.

I spent a lot of years doing Unix computer security and privacy for a major computer manufacturer, starting in 1985 and I continue on my machines to practice that same thing since I retired.

And while Canonical asks you when installing about collecting "basic information", it would not be clear to most people what that means. And, yes, Canonical has released "SOME" [my emphasis] of the data it collects, the default IMHO should be to not collect it and if someone doesn't realize all the nuances, they should be periodically reminded they can opt out of it. The first thought a user might have when "reporting" a system problem by clicking on the error message is that it will be used to create a fix for them not that it may be used to collect statistics about what they are doing. But that is not clear to the user.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion as much as I to mine since both our postings are opinion.

The OP can make his own choice about what to do based on his research of other opinions as suggested by Halivor and by reading about different opinions as expressed in this forum.
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Re: Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby cuckooflew » 2020-05-06 21:45

debergerac wrote:Hi,
which differences between Debian and Ubuntu?
thanks

Oh no, not again, please , give me a break :mrgreen:
Title slightly different , but same theme,
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=145410&p=716296&hilit=Debian+VS+Ubuntu#p716296
and I know I have seen the same posted before, besides this....every so often some @@@@@@@ just has to ask,....Please do a search before asking, there is plenty of documentation that will explain the differences,...In a nut shell, like H_O_A_S said:

Re: Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2020-05-01 09:09
Debian rules and Ubuntu drools
Please Read.. What we expect you have already Done.
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Re: Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby NFT5 » 2020-05-06 22:07

morse_the_horse wrote:There was stuff for Amazon and a lot of other private companies. I spent a lot of time getting rid of that junk.


Yes, there was and Canonical received much criticism for what they did. To the point that they removed it from later releases. Well, that is what they claim. I haven't delved into a system to prove or disprove that claim but I haven't seen any signs that what they say is wrong and I haven't seen any examples of others having found examples of such. On this basis it's reasonable to say that my belief that what they say is correct. Your assertion, expressed in the present tense, that this may not be the case, prompted my question.

From your later comments it appears that you were referring to the earlier release(s), not the current ones. Since OP seems to be enquiring about current releases (as far as one can understand from his choice of words which indicate he may not be a native English speaker) I wanted to clarify and avoid misunderstandings that Canonical are still engaged in this practice.



morse_the_horse wrote:Your point?


Simply that you can't have two different desktops running at the same time.
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Re: Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby morse_the_horse » 2020-05-07 01:08

NFT5 wrote:
morse_the_horse wrote:
Your point?


Simply that you can't have two different desktops running at the same time.


$ systemctl status display-manager
● gdm.service - GNOME Display Manager
Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/gdm.service; static; vendor preset: enabled)
Active: active (running) since Wed 2020-05-06 21:16:25 EDT; 39min ago
Process: 564 ExecStartPre=/usr/share/gdm/generate-config (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
Main PID: 576 (gdm3)
Tasks: 3 (limit: 4915)
Memory: 9.5M
CGroup: /system.slice/gdm.service
└─576 /usr/sbin/gdm3


$ echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
X-Cinnamon

$ more /etc/X11/default-display-manager
/usr/sbin/gdm3
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Re: Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby NFT5 » 2020-05-07 03:51

:lol: Gnome Display Manager with Cinnamon Desktop. You need to be specific. :wink:
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Re: Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby kedaha » 2020-05-07 11:37

debergerac wrote:Hi,
which differences between Debian and Ubuntu?
thanks

The creator of Ubuntu, following the footsteps of Victor Frankenstein in the old story created and gave life to a hideous monster. :lol:
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Re: Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby jdef » 2020-05-12 01:11

As a long-time Xubuntu user and a short-time Debian-unstable/XFCE (Sid) user, my take is:
  • Xubuntu works out-of-the box and has all the basics installed
  • Debian has a number of gotchas (in my case, multi-monitor support, printer support, and system suspend) to work thru (which I saw on "Buster", too, before converting to Sid).
The attraction of Sid to me (btw, many long-term Sid users say "unstable" is misnomer ... that is TBD for me) is getting rolling upgrades; w/o that, frankly, Ubuntu is more attractive if painless is an objective (at least until upgrade time)
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Re: Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby Bulkley » 2020-05-12 01:54

jdef wrote:As a long-time Xubuntu user and a short-time Debian-unstable/XFCE (Sid) user . . .


Debian is Stable. Testing and Unstable are development releases and as such the users are supposed to know how to fix them and to send in bug reports. That's how the next Stable is built.
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Re: Debian VS Ubuntu

Postby NFT5 » 2020-05-12 02:06

kedaha wrote:The creator of Ubuntu, following the footsteps of Victor Frankenstein in the old story created and gave life to a hideous monster. :lol:


Depends how you view it. I run Ubuntu on a couple of machines. For a user who is a) technologically challenged and b) not interested anyway, Ubuntu is a great choice. It just works. Canonical saw this and catered for it, attracting users from Windows by the thousands. From that perspective it's a very successful monster. :wink:

jdef wrote:The attraction of Sid to me (btw, many long-term Sid users say "unstable" is misnomer ... that is TBD for me) is getting rolling upgrades; w/o that, frankly, Ubuntu is more attractive if painless is an objective (at least until upgrade time)


I don't understand how rolling upgrades, which can include rolling crashes, is an attraction unless there is/are specific feature(s) that are used regularly and can't be done without, and are not available in Stable Backports. I, and my staff, and my family, use computers daily and need them to work, reliably. The 9 month timeframe that Ubuntu work to, between releases is just ridiculous and with just the 15 machines that I admin would present far too big a task, constantly upgrading. Although I do agree that upgrading Ubuntu can be a bit of a lottery too. The machines that run Ubuntu are on their LTS versions and that works for me. Debian, even Stable, also has much longer times between releases and then provides support for the replaced release for some years. So, 3-5 years between installations certainly works for me.
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