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Thinking of installing debian but want to use sysvinit

Postby lizzias » 2021-02-18 19:29

so no systemd. how to install wihtout systemd is the thing. is there a guide on this?
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Re: Thinking of installing debian but want to use sysvinit

Postby lizzias » 2021-02-18 20:20

arochester wrote:Why?



Because i said so that's why.
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Re: Thinking of installing debian but want to use sysvinit

Postby Bulkley » 2021-02-18 20:20

lizzias wrote:so no systemd. how to install wihtout systemd is the thing.


Easy, pick one of these. There are at least three on that list that are Debian based.

There is no easy and reliable method to install Debian and convert it to run without systemd, at least not for amateurs. There used to be but that's history.
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Re: Thinking of installing debian but want to use sysvinit

Postby lizzias » 2021-02-18 20:28

Bulkley wrote:
lizzias wrote:so no systemd. how to install wihtout systemd is the thing.


Easy, pick one of these. There are at least three on that list that are Debian based.

There is no easy and reliable method to install Debian and convert it to run without systemd, at least not for amateurs. There used to be but that's history.

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Re: Thinking of installing debian but want to use sysvinit

Postby lizzias » 2021-02-18 20:50

MX/Antix looks like they are no more. thats sad.
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Re: Thinking of installing debian but want to use sysvinit

Postby Bulkley » 2021-02-18 23:02

To be fair let's add Devuan.
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Re: Thinking of installing debian but want to use sysvinit

Postby stevepusser » 2021-02-18 23:05

lizzias wrote:MX/Antix looks like they are no more. thats sad.


Then I've been building packages for nothing all this time! ZOMG!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Re: Thinking of installing debian but want to use sysvinit

Postby lizzias » 2021-02-18 23:55

stevepusser wrote:
lizzias wrote:MX/Antix looks like they are no more. thats sad.


Then I've been building packages for nothing all this time! ZOMG!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:



Sorry my mistake. I mistook what looks like no new respin for over a year as dead. Upon further examination 19.3 was relesaed in late 2020 and the forums have post with active posts dated today.
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Re: Thinking of installing debian but want to use sysvinit

Postby lizzias » 2021-02-19 00:03

Bulkley wrote:To be fair let's add Devuan.



yah i saw devuan but it uses refracta installer which is fine for most people but last time i used it (refracta) it was limited in what directories one could create for your install to whatever ones the devs used for the vanilla install and no curtomizing was available if i wanted to say mount a partition as /home/[user]/Steam at install time it wouldnt jive so well. Ya sure i can edit fstab after first boot up and reboot again but it's just nice to be able to create all that at install time and not have to fuss with manually editing files. I have used obarun and artix but the maintinence is ridiculous when something goes wonky. When i turn my pc on to play a game on steam i'd rather not be required to spend an hour or days troubleshooting why my sixaxis controller isn't working this time. Or why on my arch install i have the correct button mapping for my ipega-9021 controller but not on the arch derivative openrc, runit, or s6 configed system. I figured if anyone has a nonsystemd system running with top notch performance, it would have to be debian and if they cant do it then it's just time to quit.
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Re: Thinking of installing debian but want to use sysvinit

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2021-02-19 05:23

Note that MX Linux is no more systemd-free than Debian; both antiX and Devuan are completely systemd-free (notwithstanding a few vestigial configuration files) but there are some incompatibility problems caused by an increasing number of Debian packages not supplying sysvinit scripts. This problem will only get worse over time.

If you really want to avoid systemd completely then move to a musl libc based distribution (systemd has a hard dependency on glibc) or go to the BSDs. Haiku is another alternative. I prefer OpenBSD & Alpine Linux myself.
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Re: Thinking of installing debian but want to use sysvinit

Postby lizzias » 2021-02-19 07:41

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Note that MX Linux is no more systemd-free than Debian; both antiX and Devuan are completely systemd-free (notwithstanding a few vestigial configuration files) but there are some incompatibility problems caused by an increasing number of Debian packages not supplying sysvinit scripts. This problem will only get worse over time.

If you really want to avoid systemd completely then move to a musl libc based distribution (systemd has a hard dependency on glibc) or go to the BSDs. Haiku is another alternative. I prefer OpenBSD & Alpine Linux myself.



PC-BSD, aaaah! those were the days...


wonders how bad it could be if i installed pc-bsd from here: https://archiveos.org/pc-bsd/ . 5 yr old iso should work just fine! I'll just convert everything to freebsd and whamo blamo all is well! bwahahahahaah.

So no sysvinit on debian. got it . thanks.
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Re: Thinking of installing debian but want to use sysvinit

Postby pcalvert » 2021-02-19 12:22

lizzias wrote:So no sysvinit on debian. got it . thanks.


Well, that's not completely true. You could always try this:
How-To: Debian Buster with SysVinit as PID 1

Don't bother, though, if you aren't willing to live with some inconveniences. If you are willing to use Xfce or a window manager like Fluxbox, IceWM, JWM, or Openbox, then you might be satisfied with the result. If not, you can always convert the system to Devuan.

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Re: Thinking of installing debian but want to use sysvinit

Postby lizzias » 2021-02-19 17:49

pcalvert wrote:
lizzias wrote:So no sysvinit on debian. got it . thanks.


Well, that's not completely true. You could always try this:
How-To: Debian Buster with SysVinit as PID 1

Don't bother, though, if you aren't willing to live with some inconveniences. If you are willing to use Xfce or a window manager like Fluxbox, IceWM, JWM, or Openbox, then you might be satisfied with the result. If not, you can always convert the system to Devuan.

Phil



I am very fond of openbox. Have run it and configured it many times. Once it's setup it's a great little system, though setting it up tends to be a bit tedious. My first arch install was openbox and lightdm with a single line of conky across the bottom and tint2 along the top and left side.

So ty for the link i will have a lookie see ....
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