lizzias wrote:
Nothing is developed enough to do the gaming on Linux I wish to do and run my devices.
If you had explained exactly what it is you're trying to run on your machine right at the start, somebody might have been more helpful. v0v.
FWIW, I run a couple of Devuan installs, and it's pretty much exactly what it says on the tin: Debian without systemd, and without the ongoing pain of keeping systemd from being pulled back in. Despite attempts to make it look like a fully independent distro, it's still really not much more than a package overlay to fix all the gratuitous hard-deps on systemd. And that's exactly what's needed.
As already mentioned, refractainstaller is optional and only used in the live images. If you want a traditional Debian installer, use the netinstall ISO.
As for Gentoo, I can personally attest that "gaming on Linux" there is just fine. I run Gentoo on my shiny new comet-lake desktop, it's blazing-fast, rock-solid, hassle-free, and games just swimmingly. You just have to wait a little longer for stuff to install on Gentoo is all.
You obviously don't get the stable packages bit that you do on Debian/Devuan, but IME you don't get the Arch-effect either (when I ran Arch, the catchphrase was "Arch likes to live on the bleeding edge, and you get to do the bleeding). Unless you switch to "unstable" keywords, there's very, very little breakage.
And of course you get
real init-freedom too - sysv, systemd, openrc, epoch, runit, and s6 all work just fine.
To return to your initial question: It's still possible, but you really,
really don't want to go there. You'll spend more time digging out systemd deps and rebuilding packages than using the machine, and at that point you're better off running Devuan.
VA1DER wrote:The OP was actually a lot politer there than I would have been. It is endlessly tiresome to ask a question to have psuedo-helpful pundits chime in with the "Oh My God, why would you want to do that?" comments.
Indeed.
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:EDIT: and I didn't call them a "religious nut". Even though they clearly are
"I didn't, but I meant to, so now I will."
The real religious nuts around here are those who roll out the inquisition at the slightest mention of non-systemd installs rather than offering useful, technical advice...
Deb-fan wrote:clearly an all over the place whacknut.
Deb-fan wrote:too lazy and/or stupid
Deb-fan wrote:ignorant folks views on the evils of systemd
Deb-fan wrote:nonsense ramblings
Deb-fan wrote:little or no understanding
Deb-fan wrote:please go farf yourself
And the inquisition has arrived.
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action. Four times is Official GNOME Policy.