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Re: Total n00b to Linux, I require assistance

Postby Soul Singin' » 2010-01-31 21:16

Bro.Tiag wrote:STOP! Step away from the computer. Go to the store and get a sixer of beer (if not old enough a sixer of Dew). Drink at least one before returning to your computer. Now, before doing anything else (other then opening another can) READ the links I offered and the one Soul Singin' posted. If you have finished reading and still have a few cans left over, you read to fast. Read them again. Now, start over and follow the advice offered by others.

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Re: Total n00b to Linux, I require assistance

Postby Absent Minded » 2010-01-31 21:16

What is the instalation media that you are using (ie. netinstall. KDEinstall, Gnome install or a DVD Disk)?
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Re: Total n00b to Linux, I require assistance

Postby mickgriddle » 2010-01-31 21:54

debian-503-powerpc-CD-1.iso is the cd-r image I used for Debian.
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Re: Total n00b to Linux, I require assistance

Postby mickgriddle » 2010-01-31 22:02

Bro.Tiag wrote:
mickgriddle wrote:Alright,

Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?

Yes No

Edit: Just realized almost every single one of my posts starts with Alright,

Edit 2: Possible problem I only installed Gnome-core, installing gnome-desktop-environment right now.


STOP! Step away from the computer. Go to the store and get a sixer of beer (if not old enough a sixer of Dew). Drink at least one before returning to your computer. Now, before doing anything else (other then opening another can) READ the links I offered and the one Soul Singin' posted. If you have finished reading and still have a few cans left over, you read to fast. Read them again. Now, start over and follow the advice offered by others.

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Can't drink pop. (Or beer for that matter.) I tried the businesscard.iso tut, however when I installed the core via disk, it had an error and couldn't finish the installation, I'm off to the next tutorial.
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Re: Total n00b to Linux, I require assistance

Postby nadir » 2010-01-31 22:06

again: i don't know mac.
do all of the following as root, by typing
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su

but when you try to startx type:
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exit

to exit root and run the startx as user.

some ideas (from a PC-user)
make sure xorg is installed:
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apt-cache policy xorg

will tell you. if not install it
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apt-get install xorg

if you get error-messages post them.

try it without the xorg configuration file
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mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf  /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup

and try startx.

try to re-create a xorg.conf:
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Xorg -configure

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mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf


not sure about the following, things have changed (the question is when):
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dpgk-configure -phigh xserver-xorg


i am sure Bro.Tiag didn't post what he did just for the fun of it. as said: i don't know a mac. might be there is something very different. i did a short search for xorg in oswaldkelsos how-to, but didn't find anything unusual.

PS: just to let you know: the most experienced users over here use aptitude instead of apt-get. i simply don't know it and therefor post the apt-get commands.
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Re: Total n00b to Linux, I require assistance

Postby mickgriddle » 2010-01-31 22:08

When I tried to install xorg,
apt-get install xorg

I got a simple error saying E: xorg package not found or something among those lines.
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Re: Total n00b to Linux, I require assistance

Postby nadir » 2010-01-31 22:09

try
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apt-get update

before that?
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Re: Total n00b to Linux, I require assistance

Postby mickgriddle » 2010-01-31 22:11

I've practically already uninstalled everything and am trying a new tutorial, if it doesn't work I'll go back to what your saying. Damn this sucks.
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Re: Total n00b to Linux, I require assistance

Postby oOarthurOo » 2010-02-01 00:28

Many of the Linux distros out there are easier to get setup, to learn the ropes as it were, but one thing you'll learn about Debian is that they give you enough rope to hang yourself with straight off the bat. If you're installing linux for the first time, and starting with the business card iso, I'd say the noose is already around your neck.

You should download disc 1 for Debian Lenny.

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0 ... pc/iso-cd/

Pop it in, follow the instructions, it setups up everything for you if you check the desktop, laptop, and standard categories during installation. No need to worry about xorg, etc.
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Re: Total n00b to Linux, I require assistance

Postby mickgriddle » 2010-02-01 00:53

Alright, finally got xorg and ran x Server, got the wallpaper to come up, where do I go from here? How do I add new users through the command terminal?
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Re: Total n00b to Linux, I require assistance

Postby nadir » 2010-02-01 02:09

mickgriddle wrote:Alright, finally got xorg and ran x Server, got the wallpaper to come up, where do I go from here? How do I add new users through the command terminal?

wow, thats what i would call cool. no hurray and no tears? just " finally i got xorg up" ?
... just kidding.

useradd adds users and gives them a home-directory:
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adduser ian

will add the user called ian. compared to other distros debian per default doesn't add new users to any groups. you gotta do that manually or edit a config-file (and which one i did forget).

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btw, a bit of superfluous ranting (perhaps just ignore):
two commands are very useful (for me):
apropos and man. say you want to add users. type
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apropos user

to much output... arghh. try
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apropos user #which will pipe it to less, a pager

or something like
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apropos user | grep add # which does something i can't explain, but its good. searches for "add" in the result of "apropos user" , so to speak.

and hope one of the results looks promising.

man <command> will tell you what a command does, how its syntax is and usually add some examples at the bottom (ctrl+g to go to the end, scroll up a bit and usually the examples are there). example:
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man adduser


in the link i gave above (to oswaldkelos beginners-guide, revision3) is a short intro about the most common cli-commands (written by hazel). they should get you going. of course there is more to be found online.

imho you may be quite proud that you could finally set it up. i ran a few times into the no-gui problem, and it sure has given me a bit of headaches to get it solved.
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Re: Total n00b to Linux, I require assistance

Postby Soul Singin' » 2010-02-01 02:11

mickgriddle wrote:Alright, finally got xorg and ran x Server, got the wallpaper to come up, where do I go from here? How do I add new users through the command terminal?

You might want to tell us what you mean when you write: "got the wallpaper to come up." How did you get the wallpaper to come up? Did you run startx? Did you see a graphical login screen? Do you have a desktop?

Which tutorial are you following? Where are you at in that tutorial? Bro.Tiag has already recommended How to install debian on imac-emac ppc, very verbose set-up. I highly recommend The Illustrated Guide to Installing Debian GNU/Linux.

Finally, please learn how to ask a good question. To that end, you should read: How To Ask Questions The Smart Way by Eric S. Raymond.

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Re: Total n00b to Linux, I require assistance

Postby mickgriddle » 2010-02-01 02:55

Soul Singin' wrote:
mickgriddle wrote:Alright, finally got xorg and ran x Server, got the wallpaper to come up, where do I go from here? How do I add new users through the command terminal?

You might want to tell us what you mean when you write: "got the wallpaper to come up." How did you get the wallpaper to come up? Did you run startx? Did you see a graphical login screen? Do you have a desktop?

Which tutorial are you following? Where are you at in that tutorial? Bro.Tiag has already recommended How to install debian on imac-emac ppc, very verbose set-up. I highly recommend The Illustrated Guide to Installing Debian GNU/Linux.

Finally, please learn how to ask a good question. To that end, you should read: How To Ask Questions The Smart Way by Eric S. Raymond.

Eric S. Raymond wrote:
Before You Ask

Before asking a technical question by e-mail, or in a newsgroup, or on a website chat board, do the following:
  1. Try to find an answer by searching the archives of the forum you plan to post to.
  2. Try to find an answer by searching the Web.
  3. Try to find an answer by reading the manual.
  4. Try to find an answer by reading a FAQ.
  5. Try to find an answer by inspection or experimentation.
  6. Try to find an answer by asking a skilled friend.
  7. If you're a programmer, try to find an answer by reading the source code.
When you ask your question, display the fact that you have done these things first; this will help establish that you're not being a lazy sponge and wasting people's time. Better yet, display what you have learned from doing these things. We like answering questions for people who have demonstrated they can learn from the answers.
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Well alright, Now I am turning on my computer, it asks me which to boot from CD or linux, I press L for linux, It goes and runs a bunch of code I do not understand, as I am not a linux programmer, just in basic programming classes. Next it will come up with a login window. The login screen has debian in the upper left hand corner, with 3 menus, Language, Session, and Actions on the lower Left Hand Corner, and the login window reads Welcone, Username:, Please enter your username, followed by a entry box, of course, asking for the user name. I go ahead and enter my username: mickgriddle. The login window then reads Password: i enter my password, I next receive an error message that reads: Your home directory is listed as: '/home/mickgriddle' but it does not appear to exist. Do you want to log in with the /(root) directors as your home director? it is unlikely anything will work unless you use a failsafe session. Proceeded by two GUI buttons, both No, and Yes. No, goes back to the beginning, Welcome please enter username. When I select yes, A new error message User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents the default session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and have 644 permissions. User's $HOME director must be owned by user and not writable by other users. Followed by a button that reads OK. I click ok and yet another error message pops up. It reads: Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds. If you have not logged out yourself, this could mean that there is some installation problem or that you may be out of diskspace. Try logging in with one of the failsafe sessions to see if you can fix this problem. It asks me if I would like to view the details, if I do, it reads:

/etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
Unable to create //.dbus
Unable to create //.dbus/sessions-bus

(seahorse-agent:1902): libgnomevfs-WARNING ++: Unable to create ~/.gnome2 directory: No such file or directory

(seahorse-agent:1902): libgnomevfs-WARNING ++: Unable to create ~/.gnome2 directory: Permission denied
Could not create per-user gnome configuration directory /home/mickgriddle/.gnome2/' : No such file of directory

I press ok and it goes back to the command terminal for about half a second and then goes back to the login interface. How do I access the Command terminal from here? I tried logging in the login interface as root, however it went to tell me incorrect username or password.
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Re: Total n00b to Linux, I require assistance

Postby nadir » 2010-02-01 03:03

the thing you describe is called login-screen.

try this from the login-screen:
crtl+alt+F1 to open a login-terminal
login as root
add another user, like i said above
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adduser test_user

ctrl+alt+F7 should open the login-screen again
try to login as the new user.

in case that did work.
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deluser mickgriddle
rm -r /home/mickgriddle

and create him again:
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adduser mickgriddle.


not sure if that's the source of the problem...never had something like that. good luck.
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Re: Total n00b to Linux, I require assistance

Postby dbbolton » 2010-02-01 03:09

nadir wrote:in case that did work.
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deluser mickgriddle
rm -r /home/mickgriddle

and create him again:
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adduser mickgriddle.


I tried this but I am still hungry. Next I'm going to try "adduser doeberkebap" (not an actual 'ö' of course since it isn't ascii).
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