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[SOLVED] d/l Knoppix Live DVD

Postby socrattt » 2010-02-01 15:09

I'm trying to introduce a couple of acquaintances to Linux.

To that end, I've been trying to d/l the Live DVD iso from:
http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload ... -2621.html

ftp://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/knoppix- ... -04-EN.iso
... but it stops half-way through.

49% of 4 GB (Done)
2.0 of 4.0 GB complete
562.7 KB/s (1:02:58 remaining)


I have no idea why this is happening or what to do about it.

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Re: d/l Knoppix Live DVD

Postby neddie » 2010-02-01 15:46

If you just want to introduce somebody to Linux, then there should be enough on the Knoppix live CD to get the feel of things.
Of course the live DVD should work and I don't know why your links don't work (maybe a corrupt copy on their mirror?) but there are other download options (including ftp and torrents) at knoppix.net. Those are versions 6.x though, not 5.1 as in your link.
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Re: d/l Knoppix Live DVD

Postby oOarthurOo » 2010-02-01 16:15

I think Ubuntu, Opensuse and Fedora are all better options for showing people what Linux can do off of a live cd. IMHO these distros put much greater effort into their live cd's and it shows.
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Re: d/l Knoppix Live DVD

Postby socrattt » 2010-02-01 20:50

neddie;
One of my 'candidate's' laptops only accepts DVDs.

I've been trying the link @ knoppix.net <Download it> for a couple of weeks.
All I get is:

http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/
The connection has timed out
The server at torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de is taking too long to respond.


“ Not Found
An error occurred while loading http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/:
Timeout on server Connection was to torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de at port 6969”


http://torrents.gentoo.org/torrents/ins ... so.torrent
“ Not Found
The requested URL /torrents/install-x86-universal-2004.3.iso.torrent was not found on this server.
Apache Server at torrents.gentoo.org Port 80”


Being a newbie, odds are I'm doing something wrong... but I'm beginning to suspect my ISP is ditzing around with torrent/PTP & etc. downloads. They were bought out by Eastlink last year and a number of 'funny' things have been happening since. But as I intimated, I'm too green to be sure about much of anything.

arthur:
Everybody has their favorite flavour. I have some experience using a Knoppix live CD. So I reckon it would be easier for me initially to tutor based on what I know than it would for me to familiarize myself on a distro I haven't seen. I'm still running Etch. If I can persuade my friends that their fears about ditching Windows are unfounded, they can research the field to their heart's content on their own.
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Re: d/l Knoppix Live DVD

Postby nadir » 2010-02-01 21:13

are you sure your torrent-client is set up correct (or have you tried another one)?
i just started to download from the link you gave
http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de:6969/
with deluge and it seems to work fine (i might tell for sure in an hour).

not sure: couldn't you download the CD-iso and put that one on a DVD?

btw: i seldom use it, but i like knoppix too. especially the lack of fan-boyism ("we are....< insert something> ")
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Re: d/l Knoppix Live DVD

Postby neddie » 2010-02-01 21:59

Those links work here too, and because it's not even torrent traffic (just http traffic with the word "torrent" in the url) I doubt that your ISP would deliberately block it. Maybe it's just general network problems.
If they are blocking torrent traffic then you can use the http or ftp links, but as far as I can see those are just CDs (I guess the mirrors are less happy about hosting DVD images due to the size).
I thought all DVD players could read CDs, no?
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Re: d/l Knoppix Live DVD

Postby oOarthurOo » 2010-02-01 22:02

Ok, well then in the interests of helping you get your hands on a knoppix cd...

Are you running any browser plugins, such as adblock, javacript, etc? A firewall might also be blocking the domain.

Assuming the answer to both those is negative, have you added any domains to your host setup?

Routers are also able to block domains. No one seems to be able to reproduce the error, so I'm operating under the assumption that the problem is on your end, something to do with your setup.

Finally, I found applying firefox/iceweasel tweaks I found online to "improve" browsing speed caused serious and frequent connection issues on some websites.
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Re: d/l Knoppix Live DVD

Postby socrattt » 2010-02-02 13:28

nadir
]are you sure your torrent-client is set up correct (or have you tried another one)?i just started to download from the link you gave

No I'm not sure it's set up correctly;at all. Actually, I just looked at my bittorrent d/l sitting on
my desktop and noticed properties indicates <utorrent.exe>. Ooops; major spaz.
I got the bt client from the <Download> link on:
http://www.knoppix.net/get.php

I am able to d/l 49% of the thing. It just won't finish.

I did get bittorrent via apt-get a while back. But I ran into problems trying to understand/configure/run it. Here's the d/l per apt-get:
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royrogers:/home/rooster# apt-get install bittorrent
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Suggested packages:
  bittorrent-gui
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  bittorrent
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 114 not upgraded.
Need to get 95.3kB of archives.
After unpacking 631kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://debian.yorku.ca etch/main bittorrent 3.4.2-10 [95.3kB]
Fetched 95.3kB in 21s (4536B/s)
Selecting previously deselected package bittorrent.
(Reading database ... 91498 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking bittorrent (from .../bittorrent_3.4.2-10_all.deb) ...
Setting up bittorrent (3.4.2-10) ...
Starting BitTorrent tracker: disabled in /etc/default/bittorrent.


Then I apt-got the gui as per:
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~# apt-get install bittorrent-gui
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0
  python-wxgtk2.6 python-wxversion
Suggested packages:
  wx2.6-doc wx2.6-examples python-xml
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  bittorrent-gui python-wxgtk2.6
  python-wxversion
The following packages will be upgraded:
  libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0
2 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 112 not upgraded.
Need to get 6243kB of archives.
After unpacking 13.0MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
Get:1 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main python-wxversion 2.6.3.2.1.5+etch1 [21.8kB]
Get:2 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main libwxbase2.6-0 2.6.3.2.1.5+etch1 [544kB]
Get:3 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main libwxgtk2.6-0 2.6.3.2.1.5+etch1 [2803kB]
Get:4 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main python-wxgtk2.6 2.6.3.2.1.5+etch1 [2860kB]
Get:5 http://debian.yorku.ca etch/main bittorrent-gui 3.4.2-10 [13.3kB]
Fetched 6243kB in 20s (303kB/s)
Selecting previously deselected package python-wxversion.
(Reading database ... 91576 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking python-wxversion (from .../python-wxversion_2.6.3.2.1.5+etch1_all.deb) ...
Preparing to replace libwxbase2.6-0 2.6.3.2.1.5 (using .../libwxbase2.6-0_2.6.3.2.1.5+etch1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement libwxbase2.6-0 ...
Preparing to replace libwxgtk2.6-0 2.6.3.2.1.5 (using .../libwxgtk2.6-0_2.6.3.2.1.5+etch1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement libwxgtk2.6-0 ...
Selecting previously deselected package python-wxgtk2.6.
Unpacking python-wxgtk2.6 (from .../python-wxgtk2.6_2.6.3.2.1.5+etch1_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package bittorrent-gui.
Unpacking bittorrent-gui (from .../bittorrent-gui_3.4.2-10_all.deb) ...
Setting up python-wxversion (2.6.3.2.1.5+etch1) ...

Setting up libwxbase2.6-0 (2.6.3.2.1.5+etch1) ...

Setting up libwxgtk2.6-0 (2.6.3.2.1.5+etch1) ...

Setting up python-wxgtk2.6 (2.6.3.2.1.5+etch1) ...

Setting up bittorrent-gui (3.4.2-10) ...


That's as far as I got. When I tried to “run” the gui, I got:

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royrogers:/home/rooster# bittorrent-gui
bash: bittorrent-gui: command not found
royrogers:/home/rooster# whereis bittorrent-gui
bittorrent-gui:
royrogers:/home/rooster#


...and the bittorrent folder appears to be empty??
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royrogers:/usr/share/bittorrent#


Folder Information
Items: 0
Size 0


I realized I was over my head. So I tried a different route and
d/l the knoppix DVD iso via ftp.

There's a lot more to this saga. But this is the 'nutshell' version. (Emphasis on “nut”.)

neddie:
CD vs DVD.
It was a surprise to me too. I have an old Knoppix Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 bootable CD (circa. 2005) that I/we tried. But no go. It wouldn't play a music CD either. Go figure. I'd like to say what laptop she has, but she's 'incommunicado' right now and I didn't take note at the time.

oOarthurOo
Ok, well then in the interests of helping you get your hands on a knoppix cd...Are you running any browser plugins, such as adblock, javacript, etc? A firewall might also be blocking the domain.

I'm trying to get a DVD, not CD and as per my OP, I don't have a router.
I opted to use Konqueror; bare bones. No plugins. Javascript enabled for this task, and I got 49% of the d/l, so I don't think my firewall (Guarddog) is blocking.
Finally, I found applying firefox/iceweasel tweaks I found online to "improve" browsing speed caused serious and frequent connection issues on some websites.
Seems I came across that same warning a while back. My Iceweasel config is bare bones too. I think I tried Iceweasel for this task a while back... but gave up betimes.

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Re: d/l Knoppix Live DVD

Postby neddie » 2010-02-02 15:58

It consistently gets up to 2.1 GB even from different servers? That sounds suspicious, almost like the file size is hitting a limit of a power of 2...
A couple of dumb questions for you then, what is the file system you're trying to save to? FAT32 / ext3 / something else? And is there plenty of free space left on it?
Have you tried using wget to download it instead of Konqueror?

Can't help with your bittorrent problems, but I use transmission and it's pretty straightforward.
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Re: d/l Knoppix Live DVD

Postby socrattt » 2010-02-03 18:19

neddie;

OT... can't help imagining you as “Neddie Seagoon” (née Harry Secombe) ... but you're probably way too young to know who that is. <goons.fabcat.org/>

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~$ df -h
Filesystem            Size       Used     Avail     Use%     Mounted on
/dev/hda1             9.2G     3.7G         5.1G      42%            /
tmpfs                   249M      0             249M        0%      /lib/init/rw
udev                      10M      80K           10M        1%          /dev
tmpfs                  249M         0           249M        0%      /dev/shm
/dev/hda3             28G      2.8G           24G      11%       /home


I'm not comfortable with fsck yet; so I'm not sure how to check the .ext3 filesize.
I took a shot at fsck.ext3 and
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~$ fsck.ext3
bash: fsck.ext3: command not found

I assume I need to specify /dev/hda 1, but I don't want to mess with this utility until I'm sure I won't mess something up.

wget might be the way to go. But again, I haven't used it before. Would:
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wget http://www.brothersoft.com/knoppix-63950.html

do the trick?
...or could I just go to”
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html
and click on “ftp” at one of the mirrors; say Perdue U or U of Wisconsin?

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Re: d/l Knoppix Live DVD

Postby craigevil » 2010-02-03 18:32

try using wget or install deluge to torrent.

wget -Nc http://www.kernel.org/pub/dist/knoppix/ ... -18-EN.iso
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Re: d/l Knoppix Live DVD

Postby oOarthurOo » 2010-02-03 20:02

I can see you're pretty committed to getting the knoppinx dvd, and you certainly have enough free space. The only other thing that comes to mind is user quota restrictions.

Have you tried downloading the opensuse dvd? I think if you're able to get more than 2.1GB or the entire thing you ought to try contacting the Knoppix forum itself for troubleshooting.

If it stalls on that as well, then there is certainly something wrong with your Debian install.

EDIT:

One last thing. I came across a comment on the knoppix forums that people trying to get the DVD image kept getting stuck and it wouldn't complete. The forum admin said it was due to problems with the mirror itself, bad builds, or what-have-you. Try a non-us mirror.

http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html
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Re: d/l Knoppix Live DVD

Postby Struggling » 2010-02-04 02:01

I had exactly the same issue. I overcame it by using Opera or a download manager (as already suggested) to download. It'll still stop when it hits 2.1, but you can make it resume/continue. From memory, DVDs will also stop again, just before the end.

ETA: When it happened, I rang my internet provider to see if it was something to do with them, and they said that it wasn't.
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Re: d/l Knoppix Live DVD

Postby neddie » 2010-02-04 11:41

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socrattt wrote:OT... can't help imagining you as “Neddie Seagoon” (née Harry Secombe) ... but you're probably way too young to know who that is.
Heh heh - no I'm not too young at all! :D Classic show.

I'm not comfortable with fsck yet; so I'm not sure how to check the .ext3 filesize.
An easy way to check what file system a drive is using is to cat /etc/fstab, but if you're saving it to your home directory then it's almost certainly not FAT32 and almost definitely one of ext2/ext3. So that can't be it.

wget might be the way to go. But again, I haven't used it before. Would:
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wget http://www.brothersoft.com/knoppix-63950.html

do the trick?
No, that's a html page, (and an old nasty one), I meant to give the URL to the iso directly to wget, as craigevil has already suggested (although I don't know the -N option). Use your browser to find a good url from the knoppix mirror list (right continent, right version, right language etc) and then run wget from the command line with one of the urls. Don't forget the -c option so that it can restart the download from where it left off.

...or could I just go to http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html and click on “ftp” at one of the mirrors; say Perdue U or U of Wisconsin?
Sure, but if you click on the link it'll just use your browser to download the ftp link instead of wget. And I thought that was what you had already tried.
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Re: d/l Knoppix Live DVD

Postby socrattt » 2010-02-14 19:51

OK. I'll try to wind this thread down. Sorry for the delay but I have a life.

DVD vs. CD
My friend's laptop is a Dell Latitude, D600. The specs on line say it reads CDs.
So I don't know what her problem was/is with the Live Knoppix CD we tried.
Blind leading the blind I guess.

I'm opting to d/l & burn the 6.0 Knoppix Live CD, then.

wget
The Mirror list on the official site <http://www.knoppix.net/get.php>
takes me to
<http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html>
which offers Purdue as one possible site:
<ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/knoppix/>
That shows up as a 14.6 GB folder with 116 files. It doesn't look right to me;
but like I'd know.

Would this work?
<wget -c -r ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/knoppix/>

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