my usb 3.0 stick only boots from a usb2 hub

[swirly_cloud]

I created the installation media just fine on a usb2 flash drive that is not an issue.
I can't boot debian which is installed into the usb3 flash drive from the installer. It drops into a initramfs prompt for some driver reason maybe is an initramfs problem since I did everythight right. He suggested me to install debian again but on a usb2 flash drive and yes I can boot from there.
Apparently Debian can't boot from usb3 flash drives at least by default is what the problem is.
Oh and I can boot from usb3 flash drive but only when using the usb2 hub so go figure :/

Please drop the generalisations. Debian can boot from some usb 3.x flash drives at the very least for the purpose of installing the system on another storage device.

You are just accepting that you have done everything correctly without even explaining how. You are killing your own topic. If you want people to help you out, it would help to include error messages, logs and whatever procedure you have used to install Debian on a flash drive.

[kiyop]

Why not understanding correctly what I mean?
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 89#p598490

Do you have another debian installed onto another media than the usb3 stick?
If you have, connect the media with a port different from the usb3 port. Try booting the debian. If the debian boots correctly, execute
(snip by kiyop)

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 89#p601023

from a run of installed debian 8.2 on a usb2 stick

So, you have an USB2 stick with installed debian 8.2, don't you?

Furthermoe,
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 17#p588629

I burned a live dvdrw with the hybrid live cd of debian 8.1 gnome and installed Debian onto the 32gb usb stick like this

So, you have a live DVDRW with hybrid live cd of debian 8.1 gnome, don't you?

Connect the USB2 stick onto the USB2 port on the problematic PC.
Boot the debian installed on the USB2 stick.
Execute

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lsmod > modules_before

Then, connect the USB3 stick with installed debian to the USB3 port of the problematic PC.
Try to mount the partition of the USB3 stick.
For example, execute

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blkid
lsblk

to check if the USB3 stick is recognized by the debian or not.
If it is not recognized, execute

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dmesg

to know if there is error message on the USB3 stick.
If it is recognized, try to mount by executing

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mount -t auto /dev/sdXY /mnt -o rw

Replace "X" and "Y" to the proper values.
Execute

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mount
df

to know if the partition in the USB3 stick is correctly mounted or not.
If it is mounted, execute

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lsmod > modules_after
diff modules_before modules_after

and post the results.

[ELDebiano]

I created the installation media just fine on a usb2 flash drive that is not an issue.
I can't boot debian which is installed into the usb3 flash drive from the installer. It drops into a initramfs prompt for some driver reason maybe is an initramfs problem since I did everythight right. He suggested me to install debian again but on a usb2 flash drive and yes I can boot from there.
Apparently Debian can't boot from usb3 flash drives at least by default is what the problem is.
Oh and I can boot from usb3 flash drive but only when using the usb2 hub so go figure :/

Please drop the generalisations. Debian can boot from some usb 3.x flash drives at the very least for the purpose of installing the system on another storage device.

You are just accepting that you have done everything correctly without even explaining how. You are killing your own topic. If you want people to help you out, it would help to include error messages, logs and whatever procedure you have used to install Debian on a flash drive.

I think I can boot Debian from a usb3 flash drive as an installer medium but I don't care about that, yes I didn't include error messages or things like that intensively because I posted another thread about this 2 months ago that has all those details.

[ELDebiano]

If it is not recognized, execute

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dmesg

to know if there is error message on the USB3 stick.

No is not recognized and I get the initramfs prompt that you already know. It shows:
xhci_hcd command completion event does not match command.
Gave up waiting for root device.
/dev/disk/root uuid does not exist
modprobe: module ehci-orion not found in modules.dep
/bin/sh: cant acces tty; job control turned off

And then initramfs prompt.
Remember im on 8.2 now

[kiyop]

xhci_hcd command completion event does not match command.

Gave up waiting for root device.
/dev/disk/root uuid does not exist
modprobe: module ehci-orion not found in modules.dep

One of my debian jessie uses kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64.
It has
/lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/usb/host/ehci-hcd.ko
/lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/usb/host/ehci-pci.ko
/lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/usb/host/xhci-hcd.ko
but it doesn't have
echi-orion.ko

Connect the USB3 flash to the USB hub on USB2 port of the problematic PC.
Boot the debian on the USB3 flash.
Get root privilege.
Execute

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find /lib/modules -iname *hci*.ko

to confirm what kind of *hci*.ko modules exist.
If xhci-hcd.ko and ehci-hcd.ko and ehci-pci.ko exist, execute

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echo "xhci_hcd
ehci_hcd
ehci_pci" >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
update-initramfs -u -k all

Shutdown and connect the USB3 flash to the USB3 port of the problematic PC and try booting.

[ELDebiano]

Connect the USB3 flash to the USB hub on USB2 port of the problematic PC.
Boot the debian on the USB3 flash.
Get root privilege.
Execute

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find /lib/modules -iname *hci*.ko

to confirm what kind of *hci*.ko modules exist.
If xhci-hcd.ko and ehci-hcd.ko and ehci-pci.ko exist, execute

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echo "xhci_hcd
ehci_hcd
ehci_pci" >> /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
update-initramfs -u -k all

Shutdown and connect the USB3 flash to the USB3 port of the problematic PC and try booting.

I'm in the process of doing this.
I don't have a problematic pc as I originally thought, is not desktop vs laptop anymore both need the hub for debian to run from usb3 stick.
-I want to know if I have to run this command all in one line or in 3 lines as you posted, I ran it in 3 lines and nothing was added, I ran it also in 1 lines and the modules were added but they're all in 1 line. like this

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# You must run update-initramfs(8) to effect this change.
#
# Examples:
#
# raid1
# sd_mod
xhci_hcd ehci_hcd ehci_pci

I want to know if this method of putting modules names in the modules file is correct.

[kiyop]

I don't have a problematic pc as I originally thought, is not desktop vs laptop anymore both need the hub for debian to run from usb3 stick.

I did not want to be sarcastic. I did not discriminate between "PC" and "laptop". I wanted to mean either "desktop PC" or "laptop (PC)". I am not good at English.
I wanted to mean just that you cannot boot the debian in the USB3 stick if it is directly connected to the PC or the laptop, which is problem.

I want to know if I have to run this command all in one line or in 3 lines as you posted, I ran it in 3 lines and nothing was added, I ran it also in 1 lines and the modules were added but they're all in 1 line. like this

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# You must run update-initramfs(8) to effect this change.
#
# Examples:
#
# raid1
# sd_mod
xhci_hcd ehci_hcd ehci_pci

I want to know if this method of putting modules names in the modules file is correct.

I thought that each module name ("-" may be replaced with "_") should be in each line, judging from the last 4 lines in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules:

# Examples:
#
# raid1
# sd_mod

You need not wait my answers. If your way works correctly, then it is the answer: the correct way. Believe your skill, if it works correctly. You may know better than I. My suggestion may be wrong.
Find better way instead of waiting "spoonfedding" reply

[ELDebiano]

Can I just use nano to add the modules names? I get they have to be each in each line, and yes I'll replace the _ with - for better accuracy.
Yes you know english haha.
UPDATE
I tried putting the modules with "-" did update-initram but it still didn't work. I used nano. Using echo puts them all in line line even if I specify each module name with "module-name".
So that didn't work, I will try putting more info from dmesg.
And I can't run

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lsmod > modules_after
diff modules_before modules_after

yet. Can I try mounting a partition on usb3 flash drive from initramfs prompt and that it?
Here is the output of "modules_before" first part of what you asked me, I think I haven't post it yet.
misdibujos.netne.net/linux/modules_before
Thanks for all your trying to help.

[kiyop]

Can I just use nano to add the modules names?

You can. But as you may know, "update-initramfs -u -k all" should be executed in order to include the modules described in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules into the initramfs file.

I get they have to be each in each line

?? You confirmed that modules names can be in one line in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, didn't you?
I cannot understand what you wrote.

and yes I'll replace the _ with - for better accuracy.

Yes you know english haha.

What do you mean? I am not good at communication in English. I am not a native English speaker. Thus, I may misunderstand what are written in English and I may write wrong English sentences.

UPDATE
I tried putting the modules with "-" did update-initram but it still didn't work. I used nano. Using echo puts them all in line line even if I specify each module name with "module-name".
So that didn't work, I will try putting more info from dmesg.
And I can't run

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lsmod > modules_after
diff modules_before modules_after

yet.

What do you mean by "that didn't work"? How do you confirm it although you cannot run "lsmod > modules_after"?
If you don't know what modules should be added to initrd.img (iniramfs) file, you cannot even check whether that work.
I cannot understand what you mean.
Write concretely what you did in detail. Otherwise, I will not reply to you.

[ELDebiano]

I get they have to be each in each line

?? You confirmed that modules names can be in one line in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, didn't you?
I cannot understand what you wrote.

I didn't know that you asked me that, I will check around.

and yes I'll replace the _ with - for better accuracy.

I meant to say more exact, like modules are named for example: xhci-hcd.ko not with xchi_hcd.ko.

and no I can't run

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lsmod > modules_after
diff modules_before modules_after

on the usb3 flash drive since I can't boot from it directly. That's where I'm stuck at now.

[kiyop]

Maybe you misunderstand what I asked you to do.

no I can't run

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lsmod > modules_after
diff modules_before modules_after

on the usb3 flash drive since I can't boot from it directly. That's where I'm stuck at now.

You need not boot from the USB3 flash drive.
Read http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 89#p601300 again.

[ELDebiano]

You need not boot from the USB3 flash drive.

I thought you meant boot debian from usb3 flash drive, I think you mean boot debian from usb2 stick and execute those commands about usb3 flash drive, which is the following:

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updated file for module_before http://misdibujos.netne.net/linux/modules_before

modules after or the difference is 0 bytes so I won't post it, I don't know why.
that's all I can tell you, apparently there is no modules added after I insert the usb3 stick onto the usb3 port, I don't know if that's right.
And I already tried adding the modules xhci-hcd ehci-hcd and ehci-pci with no positive result.

[kiyop]

I thought you meant boot debian from usb3 flash drive

As you know, I did not mean such a thing.

I think you mean boot debian from usb2 stick and execute those commands about usb3 flash drive

Yes, I mean it.

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updated file for module_before http://misdibujos.netne.net/linux/modules_before

modules after or the difference is 0 bytes so I won't post it, I don't know why.
that's all I can tell you, apparently there is no modules added after I insert the usb3 stick onto the usb3 port, I don't know if that's right.

I read http://misdibujos.netne.net/linux/modules_before .
Did you confirm that some partition/s of the usb3 flash had been mounted before you executed "lsmod > modules_after"?

And I already tried adding the modules xhci-hcd ehci-hcd and ehci-pci with no positive result.

Connect the USB hub to the USB3 port of the PC or the laptop and connect the USB3 flash to the USB hub. Boot debian installed in the USB3 flash and execute

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lsmod
cat /etc/initramfs-tools/modules

and post the results.

[ELDebiano]

I read http://misdibujos.netne.net/linux/modules_before .
Did you confirm that some partition/s of the usb3 flash had been mounted before you executed

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"lsmod > modules_after"?

Yes, it was not connected to the back of the pc where the usb3 port is.

[kiyop]

I read http://misdibujos.netne.net/linux/modules_before .
Did you confirm that some partition/s of the usb3 flash had been mounted before you executed

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"lsmod > modules_after"?

Yes, it was not connected to the back of the pc where the usb3 port is.

?????
Not connected to the USB3 port?
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... 89#p598490

Do you have another debian installed onto another media than the usb3 stick?
If you have, connect the media with a port different from the usb3 port. Try booting the debian. If the debian boots correctly, execute

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lsmod > modules_before

Then connect the usb3 stick on the usb3 port and try mounting a partition in the usb3 stick.
If you can mount it, execute

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lsmod > modules_after
diff modules_before modules_after

and post the results.

Maybe you misunderstand what I asked.
I am confused
And tired

[ELDebiano]

Maybe you misunderstand what I asked.
I am confused
And tired

no no I meant to say it was not connected for module_before, but I realized a made a mistake in typing the commands, here is new information:

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new version of module_before http://paste.debian.net/348969/

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new modules_after http://paste.debian.net/348970/

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diff http://paste.debian.net/348973/

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cat of initramfs modules file http://paste.debian.net/348967/

lsmod of usb3 thumb drive loaded from usb2hub connected to usb3 port (I had to unplug everything from the hub to be able to boot from the hub something I don't need to do when connected to usb2 port.

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http://paste.debian.net/348966/

There it is, I did it right this time.

[kiyop]

I confirmed that the modules in http://paste.debian.net/348970/ are same as those in http://paste.debian.net/348969/.
By the way, please do not write like

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new version of module_before http://paste.debian.net/348969/

I cannot move to the linked page if you write like the above.
Write like:
new version of module_before http://paste.debian.net/348969/
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Module                  Size  Used by
cfg80211              405538  0 
rfkill                 18867  1 cfg80211
cpufreq_userspace      12525  0 
cpufreq_powersave      12454  0 
cpufreq_conservative    14184  0 
cpufreq_stats          12782  0 
nfsd                  263032  2 
auth_rpcgss            51211  1 nfsd
oid_registry           12419  1 auth_rpcgss
nfs_acl                12511  1 nfsd
nfs                   188136  0 
lockd                  83389  2 nfs,nfsd
fscache                45542  1 nfs
sunrpc                237402  6 nfs,nfsd,auth_rpcgss,lockd,nfs_acl
joydev                 17063  0 
k10temp                12618  0 
edac_mce_amd           21166  0 
edac_core              51465  0 
kvm_amd                59131  0 
kvm                   388635  1 kvm_amd
pcspkr                 12595  0 
emu10k1_gp             12461  0 
psmouse                99249  0 
snd_emu10k1           148204  4 
gameport               13449  2 emu10k1_gp
snd_util_mem           12747  1 snd_emu10k1
serio_raw              12849  0 
snd_rawmidi            26806  1 snd_emu10k1
snd_seq_device         13132  2 snd_rawmidi,snd_emu10k1
snd_ac97_codec        118711  1 snd_emu10k1
snd_hda_codec_hdmi     45118  1 
snd_hda_intel          26327  4 
snd_hda_controller     26646  1 snd_hda_intel
snd_hda_codec         104463  3 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_controller
snd_hwdep              13148  2 snd_hda_codec,snd_emu10k1
snd_pcm                88662  6 snd_ac97_codec,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel,snd_emu10k1,snd_hda_controller
sp5100_tco             12864  0 
snd_timer              26614  2 snd_pcm,snd_emu10k1
snd                    65244  26 snd_ac97_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_timer,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_device
ac97_bus               12510  1 snd_ac97_codec
soundcore              13026  2 snd,snd_hda_codec
shpchp                 31121  0 
i2c_piix4              20864  0 
evdev                  17445  6 
nuvoton_cir            17207  0 
rc_core                22404  1 nuvoton_cir
acpi_cpufreq           17218  0 
processor              28221  1 acpi_cpufreq
thermal_sys            27642  1 processor
vmhgfs                 65266  0 
vmw_vmci               55383  1 vmhgfs
fuse                   83350  3 
parport_pc             26300  0 
ppdev                  16782  0 
lp                     17074  0 
parport                35749  3 lp,ppdev,parport_pc
autofs4                35529  2 
ext4                  473802  1 
crc16                  12343  1 ext4
mbcache                17171  1 ext4
jbd2                   82413  1 ext4
usb_storage            56215  2 
hid_logitech           25801  0 
ff_memless             12675  1 hid_logitech
hid_generic            12393  0 
usbhid                 44460  0 
hid                   102264  3 hid_generic,hid_logitech,usbhid
sg                     29973  0 
sd_mod                 44356  3 
crc_t10dif             12431  1 sd_mod
crct10dif_generic      12581  1 
crct10dif_common       12356  2 crct10dif_generic,crc_t10dif
ata_generic            12490  0 
ohci_pci               12808  0 
xhci_hcd              148881  0 
ohci_hcd               42982  1 ohci_pci
ehci_pci               12512  0 
ehci_hcd               69837  1 ehci_pci
radeon               1345162  3 
ahci                   33291  0 
i2c_algo_bit           12751  1 radeon
libahci                27158  1 ahci
pata_atiixp            12747  0 
ttm                    77862  1 radeon
r8169                  68262  0 
mii                    12675  1 r8169
firewire_ohci          39523  0 
drm_kms_helper         49210  1 radeon
libata                177457  4 ahci,libahci,ata_generic,pata_atiixp
firewire_core          56665  1 firewire_ohci
crc_itu_t              12347  1 firewire_core
scsi_mod              191405  4 sg,usb_storage,libata,sd_mod
drm                   249955  6 ttm,drm_kms_helper,radeon
usbcore               195340  7 usb_storage,ohci_hcd,ohci_pci,ehci_hcd,ehci_pci,usbhid,xhci_hcd
usb_common             12440  1 usbcore
i2c_core               46012  5 drm,i2c_piix4,drm_kms_helper,i2c_algo_bit,radeon
button                 12944  0 

Really, your way irritates me.

If the USB3 flash was not connected when you executed "lsmod > modules_before" while the debian installed in the USB2 flash (which was connected to the USB2 port) were booting, the necessary modules for the USB3 port are loaded before any USB3 media is connected to the USB3 port, and the necessary modules are in http://paste.debian.net/348969/

Add the following lines to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules:

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ohci_pci
xhci_hcd
ohci_hcd
ehci_pci
ehci_hcd
ahci
libahci
firewire_ohci
libata
firewire_core
crc_itu_t
usbcore
usb_common
usb_storage
hid_logitech
ff_memless
hid_generic
usbhid
hid
ata_generic
scsi_mod

and execute

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update-initramfs -u -k all

[ELDebiano]

@kiyop
well I tried what you asked me, but still no good result, I still get an xhci error message address 2 error -62 and an initramfs prompt.
I updated initramfs and copied those module names:

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# List of modules that you want to include in your initramfs.
# They will be loaded at boot time in the order below.
#
# Syntax:  module_name [args ...]
#
# You must run update-initramfs(8) to effect this change.
#
# Examples:
#
# raid1
# sd_mod
ohci_pci
xhci_hcd
ohci_hcd
ehci_pci
ehci_hcd
ahci
libahci
firewire_ohci
libata
firewire_core
crc_itu_t
usbcore
usb_common
usb_storage
hid_logitech
ff_memless
hid_generic
usbhid
hid
ata_generic
scsi_mod

Thanks kiyop, I'm learning so much from you.

[kiyop]

well I tried what you asked me, but still no good result, I still get an xhci error message address 2 error -62 and an initramfs prompt.

Maybe I cannot help you. I am sorry.

Sometimes, filesystem error and/or bad read/write prevented correct recognition of the partition (which resulted in initramfs prompt) in my cases. I solved such errors by fsck.

I updated initramfs and copied those module names:

I wonder if you copied those module names into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and then, you updated initramfs.
If not, update initramfs and try booting.
If it does not boot, I cannot help you.

[ELDebiano]

@kiyop, yea I did everything.
Thanks for trying to help me. and nice website you have