[Solved] Jessie periodicaly wants to do a full BPO upgrade

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[Solved] Jessie periodicaly wants to do a full BPO upgrade

Postby No_windows » 2018-07-13 10:43

Edit, I've changed the title because it appears Synaptic wants to do a full upgrade from Backports not Stretch. Apparently, some packages in backports keep the deb9u designation.


I run Synaptic every few days to keep my Jessie system up to date. All of a sudden it want's to install or update over 200 packages... That's more than any point upgrade I've ever done. looking at the version numbers, I think it's trying to update to Stretch, for some reason. Jessie has gone to LTS, but when I looked at repo changes, it looked like there were none to make.

Here is my sources.list..... unchanged for quite some time.

When I clicked on properties in Synaptic, for a package, it told me two versions were availble "old stable" and "httpredir.debian.org". Is the redirector not available for LTS?

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#Debian security
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main

#Debian mirror
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free

#Debian jessie-updates mirror
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free

#Debian jessie-backports mirror
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free

#Palemoon
deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/stevenpusser/Debian_8.0/ /

#Google Chrome
deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main

#deb-multimedia.org
# deb ftp://ftp.deb-multimedia.org/ jessie main non-free

#HP repository
# deb http://downloads.linux.hpe.com/SDR/repo/mcp/ jessie/current non-free

#Virtualbox
deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/ jessie contrib
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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch???

Postby bw123 » 2018-07-13 11:59

https://www.debian.org/News/2018/20180623

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looking at the version numbers, I think it's trying to update to Stretch,
...


well, if anything has "deb9u" in it, then that might be stretch, but you gave no example?
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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch???

Postby No_windows » 2018-07-13 12:19

As I said, I run synaptic every few days. I updated to 8.11 the day it was released, and that wasn't 200+ packages.
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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch???

Postby No_windows » 2018-07-13 12:35

Interesting, httpredir.debian.org was replaced... LAST year, but has been working for me up until today.

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror
https://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/2017/02/msg00000.html

I just switched the three applicable lines to deb.debian.org, and Synaptic no longer tries to upgrade the system to Stretch.
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Re: SOLVED Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stre

Postby stevepusser » 2018-07-14 16:15

A normal upgrade from Jessie to Stretch involves many more package upgrades than just the 200 that you mention, so something still is weird about this. The list of proposed upgrades would have been invaluable...
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Re: SOLVED Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stre

Postby ticojohn » 2018-07-14 18:02

I'm not an expert but might not this line in his sources list be part of the problem? I mean it does reference "stable" which is now Stretch.
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#Google Chrome
deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main


By the way, if the OP changes that entry to reflect Jessie, then he should do
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apt-get clean
apt-get update

to remove any previous references to the Stretch packages before doing an upgrade.
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Re: SOLVED Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stre

Postby No_windows » 2018-07-14 19:18

stevepusser wrote:A normal upgrade from Jessie to Stretch involves many more package upgrades than just the 200 that you mention, so something still is weird about this. The list of proposed upgrades would have been invaluable...


I didn't think it to be that important at the time, since I was most interested in making it work correctly, although I guess knowing how it's wrong would be good for diagnostic purposes. I just replaced my sources.list with what I originally posted, and it's not doing it anymore. httpredir.debian.org is giving the same results as deb.debian.org....which is giving me a good number of updates today, but nothing from Stretch (no big version number jumps, and no debu9).
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Re: SOLVED Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stre

Postby No_windows » 2018-07-14 19:24

ticojohn wrote:I'm not an expert but might not this line in his sources list be part of the problem? I mean it does reference "stable" which is now Stretch.
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#Google Chrome
deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main


I would expect that since that's Google's repo, that "stable" has nothing to do with Debian releases, but the current stable release of Chrome.

By the way, if the OP changes that entry to reflect Jessie, then he should do
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apt-get clean
apt-get update

to remove any previous references to the Stretch packages before doing an upgrade.


I don't normally use apt-get, I use Synaptic, which typically prompts me to "reload package information".... or I reload it myself.
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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch AGA

Postby No_windows » 2018-08-26 23:18

Happened again today....40 some new packages and well over 100 to update! I didn't let Synaptic go through with it of course as I want to keep the system on Jessie.
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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch AGA

Postby No_windows » 2018-08-27 00:07

I can't seem to capture the files that Synaptic wants to install/upgrade. So I ran apt-get update... and that doesn't show me a list at all. How can I get a text printing of the files so that I can post them here without actually installing them. I'm looking at various apt-get info online and I'm a bit nervous following advice on foreign boards which my by old and no longer applicable, or just plain wrong to begin with.
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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch AGA

Postby Bulkley » 2018-08-27 00:52

Is there anything listed in sources.list.d ?

I would block every line in your sources.list except
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#Debian security
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main

#Debian mirror
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main

Then I would do my update and upgrade and check if it is behaving normally. If so, add one more of your lines and try again. Keep adding one line at a time and testing until you hit the one that is causing all the trouble.

By the way, it is not wise to leave non-Debian repositories open after you install something. Open repositories are an invitation to surprises.

Kudos for spotting the extra packages and halting. We get lots of posts from users who push yes and wonder what happened.
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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch AGA

Postby cds60601 » 2018-08-27 01:42

Would there be some dependencies that are needed for the stable version of Chrome that Jessie can't accommodate? Perhaps that is leading to the "newer" files?
It would be interesting to see if that might be the case.


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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch AGA

Postby No_windows » 2018-08-27 02:40

Bulkley wrote:Is there anything listed in sources.list.d ?


No, I've always moved everything to my sources.list, but I checked just to make sure.

I would block every line in your sources.list except
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#Debian security
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main

#Debian mirror
deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main

Then I would do my update and upgrade and check if it is behaving normally. If so, add one more of your lines and try again. Keep adding one line at a time and testing until you hit the one that is causing all the trouble.


Its already gone.... didn't change a thing.

By the way, it is not wise to leave non-Debian repositories open after you install something. Open repositories are an invitation to surprises.


I could close the vbox repo, since I haven't actually run vbox for quite some time, but I'm not going to worry about Google and Steve. I trust Steve, and well, I need to keep Chrome up to date. Everything else is already closed.

Kudos for spotting the extra packages and halting. We get lots of posts from users who push yes and wonder what happened.


I always look over the list, at least a bit. This was way too big to be legit. Just like last time it happened the changes were major version changes.
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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch AGA

Postby roseway » 2018-08-27 05:19

Have you checked in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ to see if you have any extra repos listed there?

[Edit - corrected pathname]
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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch AGA

Postby sunrat » 2018-08-27 05:53

No_windows wrote:How can I get a text printing of the files so that I can post them here without actually installing them.

Run, as user:
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$ apt-get upgrade -s

-s means simulate

To show all repositories you could install inxi and run
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inxi -r

or just check any files in in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ as mentioned above.
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