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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch AGA

Postby stevepusser » 2018-11-10 18:10

Yes, all packages with "bpo8" in the version are coming from jessie-backports. Your system is working correctly as designed when you keep the backports repository enabled at all times. However, that's really not how the backports maintainers recommend the repository be used--instead only enable it when you really want to upgrade something from backports.

Since it's not really trying to upgrade to Stretch, only some packages from jessie-backports that kept "deb9u" in the version, please mark this thread [SOLVED] by adding that to the title of your first post in the thread,
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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch AGA

Postby No_windows » 2018-11-10 19:06

stevepusser wrote:Yes, all packages with "bpo8" in the version are coming from jessie-backports. Your system is working correctly as designed when you keep the backports repository enabled at all times. However, that's really not how the backports maintainers recommend the repository be used--instead only enable it when you really want to upgrade something from backports.


Why would I not want my backported packages to be updated?

Since it's not really trying to upgrade to Stretch, only some packages from jessie-backports that kept "deb9u" in the version, please mark this thread [SOLVED] by adding that to the title of your first post in the thread,


But it's not solved... I'm not doing anything to fix it. It goes away on it's own after a day or two. I'm not allowing the upgrades to take place. It wants to upgrade a huge amount of packages to a much newer version, and I don't let... then it all goes away, and I only get minor upgrades as usual.

This time around I think I've determined that it is an issue with backports, as when I disabled it, the problem disappeared.... of course that isn't definitive since when I re-enabled it, it did not re-appear. Assuming it's a backport problem why is it trying to do a massive upgrade periodically? Edit: It's like the apt policy is being ignored every so often.
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Re: Jessie system periodicaly wants to do a full BPO upgrade

Postby No_windows » 2018-11-10 19:31

I've edited the title to reflect better what I think is happening... still have no idea why.

Yes, Yes, I know I have backports open, but that doesn't explain why it wants to upgrade everything periodically. If simply having it open meant that everything got upgraded, then it would do that every single time I ran Synaptic, but that's not the case. This happens every few months, and then disappears in a day or two, without allowing the huge upgrade.
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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch AGA

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2018-11-10 19:55

stevepusser wrote:Yes, all packages with "bpo8" in the version are coming from jessie-backports. Your system is working correctly as designed when you keep the backports repository enabled at all times. However, that's really not how the backports maintainers recommend the repository be used--instead only enable it when you really want to upgrade something from backports.

^ This is incorrect. The backports repository should be enabled to allow updates.

In a stock Debian system backports have a pin value of 100 — this means that any explicitly installed packages will be kept updated but an `apt upgrade` will still pull everything else from stable.

The OP's preferences must have been altered since we last saw the output of
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apt policy

@OP: please post the output of that command again, it should show the backports repository to have a pin value of 100

We should probably also see
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grep -v '^#\|^$' /etc/apt/preferences{,.d/*}
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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch AGA

Postby No_windows » 2018-11-10 20:20

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
In a stock Debian system backports have a pin value of 100 — this means that any explicitly installed packages will be kept updated but an `apt upgrade` will still pull everything else from stable.


Does 'dist-upgrade' still pull everything else from stable? Normally, I use Synaptic, but I have used apt from time to time... Although, never when I've had this grab everything from backports issue.

The OP's preferences must have been altered since we last saw the output of
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apt policy

@OP: please post the output of that command again, it should show the backports repository to have a pin value of 100



Bare in mind, the problem seems to have gone away at this point, but here is the requested info. I will check for this info again if/when this happens again, when the problem is still active.

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 apt-cache policy
Package files:
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     release a=now
 500 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable/main amd64 Packages
     release v=1.0,o=Google LLC,a=stable,n=stable,l=Google,c=main
     origin dl.google.com
 500 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/stevenpusser/Debian_8.0/  Packages
     release o=obs://build.opensuse.org/home:stevenpusser/Debian_8.0,n=Debian_8.0,l=home:stevenpusser,c=
     origin download.opensuse.org
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports/non-free Translation-en
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports/main Translation-en
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports/contrib Translation-en
 100 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports/non-free amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian Backports,a=jessie-backports,n=jessie-backports,l=Debian Backports,c=non-free
     origin deb.debian.org
 100 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports/contrib amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian Backports,a=jessie-backports,n=jessie-backports,l=Debian Backports,c=contrib
     origin deb.debian.org
 100 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports/main amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian Backports,a=jessie-backports,n=jessie-backports,l=Debian Backports,c=main
     origin deb.debian.org
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates/non-free Translation-en
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates/main Translation-en
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates/contrib Translation-en
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates/non-free amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=oldstable-updates,n=jessie-updates,l=Debian,c=non-free
     origin deb.debian.org
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates/contrib amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=oldstable-updates,n=jessie-updates,l=Debian,c=contrib
     origin deb.debian.org
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates/main amd64 Packages
     release o=Debian,a=oldstable-updates,n=jessie-updates,l=Debian,c=main
     origin deb.debian.org
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie/non-free Translation-en
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main Translation-en
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie/contrib Translation-en
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie/non-free amd64 Packages
     release v=8.11,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=jessie,l=Debian,c=non-free
     origin deb.debian.org
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie/contrib amd64 Packages
     release v=8.11,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=jessie,l=Debian,c=contrib
     origin deb.debian.org
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
     release v=8.11,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=jessie,l=Debian,c=main
     origin deb.debian.org
 500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main Translation-en
 500 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main amd64 Packages
     release v=8,o=Debian,a=oldstable,n=jessie,l=Debian-Security,c=main
     origin security.debian.org
Pinned packages:


We should probably also see
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grep -v '^#\|^$' /etc/apt/preferences{,.d/*}


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grep: /etc/apt/preferences: No such file or directory
grep: /etc/apt/preferences.d/*: No such file or directory
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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch AGA

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2018-11-10 20:40

No_windows wrote:Does 'dist-upgrade' still pull everything else from stable?

Yes.

No_windows wrote:
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 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports/non-free Translation-en
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports/main Translation-en
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports/contrib Translation-en

I'm not sure if that's normal (I'm running testing atm) but the sources look OK otherwise.

Try to avoid using synaptic to update, it is far too opaque in it's operation.
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Re: Why is my Jessie system trying to upgrade to Stretch AGA

Postby No_windows » 2018-11-10 21:00

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
No_windows wrote:
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 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports/non-free Translation-en
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports/main Translation-en
 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports/contrib Translation-en

I'm not sure if that's normal (I'm running testing atm) but the sources look OK otherwise.


I hadn't noticed that.

Try to avoid using synaptic to update, it is far too opaque in it's operation.


I've always liked it because it's just about impossible to unintentionally install/upgrade/remove something as there are multiple places where you have to give the go-ahead. That's how I always catch this without actually making the upgrade.
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Re: Jessie system periodicaly wants to do a full BPO upgrade

Postby dilberts_left_nut » 2018-11-10 21:53

I think that is normal, so the Translation files are always updated, but the Packages entries are at 100 as expected.

Odd problem.
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Re: Jessie system periodicaly wants to do a full BPO upgrade

Postby No_windows » 2018-11-10 22:57

I'm looking through what I have from backports.

I've already uninstalled a few things.

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Completely removed the following packages:
virtualbox-dkms
youtube-dl


Ffmpeg seems to be the reason of the rest of them. Does Palemoon require it? Looking through my history it shows up February of 20017 along with a Palemoon upgrade.

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palemoon (27.0.3~repack-2) to 27.1.0~repack-1

Installed the following packages:
ffmpeg (7:3.2.2-1~bpo8+1)
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Re: Jessie system periodicaly wants to do a full BPO upgrade

Postby No_windows » 2018-11-10 23:09

It looks like youtube_dl requires ffmpeg, but ffmpeg was already installed when I installed youtube_dl. It's suggested by Imagemagik
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Re: Jessie system periodicaly wants to do a full BPO upgrade

Postby No_windows » 2018-11-11 00:01

I removed ffmpeg... we'll see what breaks.

I still have these

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libavcodec57 (version 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1) will be re-installed
libavutil55 (version 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1) will be re-installed
libswresample2 (version 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1) will be re-installed
libx265-87 (version 2.0-4~bpo8+1) will be re-installed


I'll let them live for awhile, until I see what the results of removing ffmpeg are.
Note: I didn't actually re-install them. That's just where I can right click and copy them out of Synaptic.
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Re: Jessie system periodicaly wants to do a full BPO upgrade

Postby No_windows » 2018-11-11 05:15

It looks like the last four bpo packages are required by Palemoon and Firefox... Odd that they require packages from backports, but maybe that's because browsers change so fast. FirefoxESR is now Quantum based. When Quantum was first released I didn't think it would make it to Jessie.
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Re: Jessie system periodicaly wants to do a full BPO upgrade

Postby llivv » 2018-11-11 07:11

Thanks Steve
I wasn't sure what the issue was in the OP's case when I made my first comment in this thread. I may have missed the post where he states "the issue disappears after commenting out backports, but only for a short time".
Simply a backports versioning issue in the backports community which is confusing another end user.
Yeah! versioning issues are not easy to understand...

At very least the OP is making progress at understanding the how's and why's of oldstable backports and third party repos.

Did I miss anything else?
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Re: Jessie system periodicaly wants to do a full BPO upgrade

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2018-11-11 08:28

No_windows wrote:It looks like the last four bpo packages are required by Palemoon and Firefox...

I don't know about Palemoon but Debian's FF package most certainly does not depend on backports, that would be ridiculous.

Try
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# apt install apt-show-versions
apt-show-versions | grep backports

^ Post the output of the second command.
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Re: Jessie system periodicaly wants to do a full BPO upgrade

Postby No_windows » 2018-11-11 17:09

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:I don't know about Palemoon but Debian's FF package most certainly does not depend on backports, that would be ridiculous.


I just checked again, from a different direction. Palemoon lists libaccodec57 as a dependency, Firefox lists it as a recommends.


Try
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# apt install apt-show-versions
apt-show-versions | grep backports

^ Post the output of the second command.


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# apt-show-versions | grep backports
libavcodec57:amd64/jessie-backports 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1 uptodate
libavutil55:amd64/jessie-backports 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1 uptodate
libswresample2:amd64/jessie-backports 7:3.2.10-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1 uptodate
libx265-87:amd64/jessie-backports 2.0-4~bpo8+1 uptodate
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