What is the replacement of kdesudo and gksu in Buster?

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Re: What is the replacement of kdesudo and gksu in Buster?

Postby CwF » 2019-10-17 02:03

sunrat wrote:policykit is not KDE specific. There have been posts about other DEs changing their authority protocols.

Backwards to my point. pkexec is fully working in my debian, so I do know it's not specific to any DE. I have no permission issues at all. If some file manager doesn't work, it's not debians fault. Thunar works fine, so the issue is with the file managers not yet compliant with polkit. So, in this case, kde is the issue. gksu has been gone for awhile now. spacefm still works fine with sudo.
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Re: What is the replacement of kdesudo and gksu in Buster?

Postby Deb-fan » 2019-10-17 14:03

Am bored so going to ramble some more on this. :)

End of the day believe personal users aren't the focus when it comes to the future of gnu/Linux and much other FOSS. Huge chunks of the upstream and major components are paid for by commercial interests. From the kernel to so much else, Wayland, audio etc etc etc. So since they have the skillset, the standing and the check book, needless to say they're going to push their agenda, with I'm guessing an emphasis on commercial, industrial, business applications rather than joe-smoe end user who gets to use all this kickbutt software for free. So whether that be as in this case trying to make the platform more secure, or the focus is stability or whatever else, think the relevant parties will continue to focus on commercial implications. Stuff like this is a walk in the park for any seasoned sys-admin. For that matter any desktop nixer willing to invest some effort. They'll either embrace it or employ whichever work-around suits their needs. Not that there aren't still plenty of volunteer contributors, nor that Debian doesn't care about the personal computing users anymore either. Am sure they do, as well as who knows how many open source projects dev'ed by kickbutt people too. Though still are going to be subject to major decisions made upstream. Just that it is, what it is and overall what we have to work with or around.

Mentioned (and it was confirmed by Wizard10000) no reason gksu won't continue working fine in Buster, not sure what issue you're having with lxqt-sudo either. Can't fathom why there'd be any problem, in particular if someone opts to continue using Xorg vs Wayland. Should be business as usual in such a case. Could be desktop dependent I guess, don't know, have always prefered windows managers anyway so haven't invested much effort in keeping up with Kde/Gnome developments. To me it's totally reasonable that end-users (particulary those which contribute nothing meaningful, other than their free use and enjoyment of the available software)be expected to learn and do something for ourselves. Rather than "I don't like this, change it, do it automagically for me." Yep, only 24hrs in a day and Google is open 24/7/365. Solutions are never far away in my experience.

I don't quite get it either, if someone with the creds wants to launch processes as root, with no "finer grained control", they can do it. If someone with the system credentials wants to nuke a node or an entire network, they can do it, shrugs. Somehow polkit with policy files is better. It's above my pay grade, I don't have a fraction of the skills or understanding of the FOSS big picture that the people behind such decisions do. So just have to find a setup that fits my preferences and get on with life. Which in my particular case will likely be lxqt-sudo (with a bash alias.) or some similar work around. This has been a pointless brainfart babbling moment about some of my views on FOSS.
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Re: What is the replacement of kdesudo and gksu in Buster?

Postby wizard10000 » 2019-10-17 14:10

I had an amusing thought - wonder how many people are running X under the root account?

The only display manager I know of that runs X as an unprivileged user is GDM, and is the reason I don't use a display manager :mrgreen:
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Re: What is the replacement of kdesudo and gksu in Buster?

Postby CwF » 2019-10-17 15:17

wizard10000 wrote:wonder how many people are running X under the root account?

I can. I have not checked lately, but I did put complete root accounts on each of my 4 rolling images. The last time I check one was a basic amd64 image after upgraded to buster. There were a handful of changes and a few things no longer worked as were set up. I cleaned it up to be focused on only emergency use, but it is a full graphical logon using lightdm and xfce. I used to do all root stuff in that environment, but don't need to any more. As stated, I have root at the click of the trackball, no keyboard required.

Running everything in a vm, those OS's are completed before use so they rarely need any root access after that. I use root during maintainance of the images and run bleachbit as root for example within the image right before I compress it down into a backing file. On hypervisors I use all pkexec root things, especially thunar, a file manager btw... I click to open a root terminal frequently and never type sudo, su, su-, suplease shoot me...
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Re: What is the replacement of kdesudo and gksu in Buster?

Postby Deb-fan » 2019-10-17 15:36

LMAO Wizard, good point. Doesn't really matter to me in a personal computing environment, though a multi-user situation it likely would. Have two Debian installs, one with (lightdm), one without and using this approach on that OS.

Though thanks, now that you bring it up, may go ahead and scrub lightdm there too. Though am saving up my strength, as I've yet to migrate over to Buster and it's going to be a massive pita, setting up the netinstall(s.) Am putting it off for awhile.
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Re: What is the replacement of kdesudo and gksu in Buster?

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-10-17 15:42

Leoncio wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:In respect of file managers I think you may be SOL. Isn't the future wonderful? :mrgreen:

In respect to Debian, if it continues like this, users will start to move to other distros. Isn't the future wonderful? :mrgreen:

It's not a Debian thing, the process is being driven by the upstream developers.

Leoncio wrote:Old-school Linux users and developers, that are elitist by nature, will really love it, for sure (no sarcasm here).

Oh God yes. N00bs begone! :mrgreen:

Leoncio wrote:Time ago, I had Ubuntu and I moved to Debian because I was fed up with some things of Ubuntu. Till now I was really happy with the change; a smart move. Now, let's see how Debian evolves from now on, but I smell that the old-school developers, strongly elitists, are in control. Maybe it is time to find another distro (not Ubuntu, I had enough with it). Maybe I am not the only one. But let's see how it evolves.

Nobody here cares which operating system you use.

EDIT: OK, Deb-fan cares which OS you use.
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Re: What is the replacement of kdesudo and gksu in Buster?

Postby Deb-fan » 2019-10-17 16:14

Wouldn't worry overmuch about it OP. Wayland can still be a good ways off anyway. Also hoping many independent and volunteer project developers and maintainers stick to their guns and keep doing what they've always done. Which will almost assuredly include coming out with alternatives and options. If for no other reason than to keep a much beloved project alive. Screw Sway I want Openbox !!! The commercial interests and accompanying bigwigs will surely keep doing as they've done. Not that I'm saying the sky is falling or that they strictly have bad intentions at heart. Just think they've got a clear agenda in much of what they've done for better or worse. Am sure there's many devoted FOSS'ers and nixers among their ranks as well.

Definitely agree with HOAS on points 2-3.

Yeppers, so elitist gnu/Linux has been made so feature rich and easy to install a monkey could do it. With the exception of a few distro's which clearly are not for the tech-ignorant or faint of heart. Gentoo, Slackware etc and o course Arch. Which a monkey could still install Arch, it'll just take them 12hrs reading some manual and jumping through intentionally over complicated hoops to get audio working. :lol:

Debian isn't known as the most newb friendly distro under the sun, though a metric gazillion "based" on Debian are filling the niche. Then there's the whole commitment to open source (free) software principle Debian is known for. Though they make it super easy to use/install closed source if a user so desires too.
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Re: What is the replacement of kdesudo and gksu in Buster?

Postby Deb-fan » 2019-10-17 16:32

Oops retraction:

Actually do care which distro people choose. Would like to see them go with Debian proper. Those "based" on vast majority, are just Debian called something else. Maintainers choose the theme, a cool brand image, non-free all included out-of-box and they select the default apps/utils and system config for the userbase but it's really still just Debian.

Yep, am a Debian fanboi and hope people go with it BUT only if they're going to contribute, tech-skills, cash, promotion, even just cool or funny info on the interwebz. Not so much if they're going to whine, my wifi (that needs proprietary software) doesn't work automatically, whaaaaaaa, why doesn't Debian automagically do everything I wish with no effort on my part, sniffle, sniffle. :D

RTFM !!!!!! Canonical Inc is thataway for such types ---->

PS, This has been an I've had wayyyyyyyy tooooo much coffee post. :shock:
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