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Re: Wayland,Synaptic continue without administrative privile

Postby 4joeyirosh1 » 2019-07-11 19:01

Wheelerof4te wrote:No need to modify any configuration files, just log in to Xorg session from GDM. And synaptic will work.


Kindly advise on how to
just log in to Xorg session from GDM
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Re: Wayland,Synaptic continue without administrative privile

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2019-07-11 19:24

^Kindly click on that wheel on the log in screen and select "GNOME on Xorg".
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Re: Wayland,Synaptic continue without administrative privile

Postby giaur » 2019-07-11 19:38

Hopefully, there are many opinions and I can choose what I want to use and what I don't want. You don't like any gui and you wish to do everything in terminal, ok your choice. I have never had any problems with updating with Synaptic, it always does the same packages upgrade as apt in cli.

Regarding to Wayland, please show me any noticeable improvement in user experience other than some stuff not compatible anymore. I think Wayland will eventually replace Xorg (unless other better solution will be created), but not yet. Afaik only Gnome3 and Plasma currently support Wayland. It's still being worked on and it's not stable yet.

Btw, regarding to Synaptic run as root - only installation process should be run as root, no need to run entire app as root, no root needed to browse packages.
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Re: Wayland,Synaptic continue without administrative privile

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2019-07-11 19:51

giaur wrote: it always does the same packages upgrade as apt in cli.

It can't upgrade to another release, as it can't prompt you to accept new release suite change. It also has whacky dependency resolution, when compared to plain apt. That's why I avoided it, well other than security stuff.

Wayland itself is not a topic of this thread. Open a new thread if you want to discuss it, but I warn you we have 1000's of those already disquised as GNOME bashing threads.
giaur wrote:Afaik only Gnome3 and Plasma currently support Wayland.

Nah, there's also a whole pack of compositors based on wlroots, led by magnificent Sway.
giaur wrote: regarding to Synaptic run as root - only installation process should be run as root,

When you run synaptic to install packages, entire program runs as root. That's the problem.
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Re: Wayland,Synaptic continue without administrative privile

Postby Deb-fan » 2019-07-11 23:12

Kitten killer!! No worries, appreciate Synaptic for what it is, amazing work by whichever software dev(s). Though you won't catch me installing it, I don need no stinkin Synaptic! :)
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Re: Wayland,Synaptic continue without administrative privile

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2019-07-13 07:54

giaur wrote:Regarding to Wayland, please show me any noticeable improvement in user experience

It manages tear-free compositing without inducing lag for window dragging operations.
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Re: Wayland,Synaptic continue without administrative privile

Postby giaur » 2019-07-13 15:51

Sorry for offtopic, but I tried Plasma with Wayland on Sid. So I installed Plasma and plasma wayland related packages. Then I choosed Plasma from ligthdm menu (not even sure if wayland used? ) and I got broken desktop as a result, no window decorations, I am not even sure if Wayland used (how could it be while lightdm starts X session). Anyway, no more test performed, I uninstalled Plasma and returned to Cinnamon (my own 4.2.1 build), which works without any issues and it's not as fat as Plasma (install Plasma - 800 MB disk space used, Cinnamon 30 MB).
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Re: Wayland,Synaptic continue without administrative privile

Postby Wheelerof4te » 2019-07-13 16:05

To install Wayland session on Plasma in Sid, you just need this command:
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apt install plasma-workspace-wayland

Then choose Plasma (Wayland) from SDDM.
giaur wrote:So I installed Plasma and plasma wayland related packages.

You clearly didn't. And as HoaS said, you keep being ignorant.
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Re: Wayland,Synaptic continue without administrative privile

Postby giaur » 2019-07-13 16:21

And you keep being rude, no reason for that, calm down
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Re: Wayland,Synaptic continue without administrative privile

Postby markjacob » 2019-07-29 14:52

Deb-fan wrote:Read the docs or run under Xorg VS Wayland. Though better than these, great time to learn cli package management as all true gnu/nix gawds prefer it. Everytime someone fires up a gui like Synaptic to manage packages, somewhere in the world a kitten bursts into flames. Folks will have to live with that! :)


I am agree but I disagree too, because I was trying to build nemo-dropbox. which required some libraries. when I tried to do apt install libraryname, it said "could not be found" maybe because every package needs a repository(like we have ppa) but I found all libraries in syaptic.(was not able to install due to wayland issue). so this time I think synaptic is the solution to my problem.
One more thing I noticed is that every single command is "not found" and every single package is "unable to locate" I am using linux(mint, elementary and ubuntu) for 3 years, dont know much about linux, but still most of the time I used cli to install uninstall. I think debian will be hard for me.
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Re: Wayland,Synaptic continue without administrative privile

Postby Dai_trying » 2019-07-29 15:16

markjacob wrote:when I tried to do apt install libraryname, it said "could not be found" maybe because every package needs a repository(like we have ppa) but I found all libraries in syaptic.(was not able to install due to wayland issue). so this time I think synaptic is the solution to my problem.
One more thing I noticed is that every single command is "not found" and every single package is "unable to locate" I am using linux(mint, elementary and ubuntu) for 3 years, dont know much about linux, but still most of the time I used cli to install uninstall. I think debian will be hard for me.


you could install the package command-not-found which will help when issuing commands that are not installed.

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apt install command-not-found


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dai@busterlt:~$ splash

Command 'splash' not found, but can be installed with:

sudo apt install splash



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dai@busterlt:~$ splosh

Command 'splosh' not found, did you mean:

  command 'splash' from deb splash

Try: sudo apt install <deb name>

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Re: Wayland,Synaptic continue without administrative privile

Postby markjacob » 2019-07-30 06:03

Dai_trying wrote:
markjacob wrote:when I tried to do apt install libraryname, it said "could not be found" maybe because every package needs a repository(like we have ppa) but I found all libraries in syaptic.(was not able to install due to wayland issue). so this time I think synaptic is the solution to my problem.
One more thing I noticed is that every single command is "not found" and every single package is "unable to locate" I am using linux(mint, elementary and ubuntu) for 3 years, dont know much about linux, but still most of the time I used cli to install uninstall. I think debian will be hard for me.


you could install the package command-not-found which will help when issuing commands that are not installed.

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apt install command-not-found


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dai@busterlt:~$ splash

Command 'splash' not found, but can be installed with:

sudo apt install splash



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dai@busterlt:~$ splosh

Command 'splosh' not found, did you mean:

  command 'splash' from deb splash

Try: sudo apt install <deb name>



:shock: you are wonderful. . this is what I wanted to say that ubuntu and linux mint has this feature. thanks for that.
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Re: Wayland,Synaptic continue without administrative privile

Postby Dai_trying » 2019-07-30 07:14

You are welcome :D
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Re: Wayland,Synaptic continue without administrative privile

Postby L_V » 2019-07-30 18:48

giaur wrote:Hopefully, there are many opinions and I can choose what I want to use and what I don't want. You don't like any gui and you wish to do everything in terminal, ok your choice. I have never had any problems with updating with Synaptic, it always does the same packages upgrade as apt in cli.
Regarding to Wayland, please show me any noticeable improvement in user experience other than some stuff not compatible anymore. I think Wayland will eventually replace Xorg (unless other better solution will be created), but not yet. Afaik only Gnome3 and Plasma currently support Wayland. It's still being worked on and it's not stable yet.

Small comment.
1 - to not install a complete KDE desktop including Kmail+Korganizer etc ... , you have to install with "no-recommends' option which you can set generally:
create /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50norecommends with
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APT::Install-Recommends "false";
APT::Install-Suggests "false";

2 - you don't only need plasma-workspace-wayland , but also kwin-wayland window manager
Start with plasma-desktop kwin-wayland xwayland plasma-nm

In session manager, you will have Plasma and Plasma-wayland choices (you cannot remove plasma, or probably by removing kwin-x11 but did not try).

I have tried plasma Wayland, but didn't insist because it seems impossible to use a mouse middle-click for copy-pasting.
Did not understand why this seems so complicated to implement for Wayland team.
Well, X11 is fine to me.
A bit off-topic, but not completely.

The permissions are managed by policykit-1.
Gnome is using a specific one, policykit-1-gnome , which can explain some differences in the feedback from KDE and gnome.
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