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Re: Mate 1.14 on Debian Jessie?

Postby kaddy » 2016-10-03 07:13

kaddy wrote:# apt-get dist-upgrade


Probably not a good idea to run dist-upgrade while using your repo... on my machine all is fine with a normal "apt-get upgrade" but running an "apt-get dist-upgrade" makes it want to downgrade from mate 1.16 back down to mate 1.8x.
Maybe there is a priority setting in Debian to get rid of that.

EDIT

I setup apt-pinning by creating a "preferences" file in /etc/apt with the following:

Package: *
Pin: release a=stable
Pin-Priority: 700


Package: *
Pin: release a=stable-updates
Pin-Priority: 700

Package: *
Pin: release a=jessie-backports
Pin-Priority: 300

Now apt isn't trying to downgrade my mate-desktop anymore with apt-get dist-upgrade.
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Re: Mate 1.14 on Debian Jessie?

Postby stevepusser » 2016-10-03 18:37

Thanks for the feedback! I currently have a collection of annotated screenshots of the OBS interface as we walk through an example backport of Gnumeric 1.12.32 from Stretch to Jessie, and have about half the text written. (I used Hotshots for the screenshots and annotations--it doesn't drag in a truckload of GNOME dependencies like Shutter. I guess I should do a Debian port of Hotshots, too, since it's not in any repo. Jeesh, I could write a zillion HOWTOs to get stuff not in backports...)
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Re: Mate 1.14 on Debian Jessie?

Postby stevepusser » 2016-10-04 02:23

bump: added mate-tweak 16.10.5 to the 1.16 repo.
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Re: Mate 1.14 on Debian Jessie?

Postby kaddy » 2016-10-04 13:17

Look forward to the blog / tutorial :)


oh yeah... I forgot there was a "mate-tweak" tool. Haven't used Mate / Gnome 2 in a long time. Cheers
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Re: Mate 1.14 on Debian Jessie?

Postby stevepusser » 2016-10-04 17:49

Here's the first section: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=130057

First thing to do is sign up on the OBS, then you get assigned your home project. The website is often slow to respond to input; maybe a lot of people are stressing it.
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Re: Mate 1.14 on Debian Jessie?

Postby Alley Cat » 2016-10-05 02:54

FWIW, LMDE 2 "Betsy", which is based on Jessie, has 1.14. It also has the option to not use systemd as init.
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Re: Mate 1.14 on Debian Jessie?

Postby paschalis.sp » 2016-10-05 16:59

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
paschalis.sp wrote:We are now on 8.6 and still no Mate Desktop update....

There will *never* be an update to the MATE version in Debian jessie.

Please familiarise yourself with the nature of Debian releases.

And no, mixing repositories in Debian stable is not a good idea,

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=114130

Have you considered Arch or Fedora instead?


I am using Linux from 1999 and Debian since Etch version, so I am familiar.

This mentality should be revised, especially because debian is known for it's stability, and since applets or things stop working there *must* be an update..

Arch and Fedora are not stable..

Debian does not have to be so mainstream, but when such an update is needed, it must be provided through backports repository, in order to keep things working.
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Re: Mate 1.14 on Debian Jessie?

Postby stevepusser » 2016-10-05 17:31

We can sit here and squawk about about established Debian policy until the cows come home, but it won't change anything. Get involved with Debian if you want to change the policy, or fork it off into something better to your liking, or actually submit the backports to jessie-backports. I'm having too much fun playing mad scientist to get involved with the Debian politics.
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Re: Mate 1.14 on Debian Jessie?

Postby paschalis.sp » 2016-10-05 18:06

stevepusser wrote:We can sit here and squawk about about established Debian policy until the cows come home, but it won't change anything. Get involved with Debian if you want to change the policy, or fork it off into something better to your liking, or actually submit the backports to jessie-backports. I'm having too much fun playing mad scientist to get involved with the Debian politics.


Tried to use the obs, but packages can not be updated, both by "synaptic->force package" version and "aptitude install mate-desktop-environment-core=1.16-0~bpo80.obs"

Any suggestion?
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Re: Mate 1.14 on Debian Jessie?

Postby stevepusser » 2016-10-05 18:35

Hmmm--what's the result of

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apt-cache-policy mate-desktop-environment mate-desktop-environment-core
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Re: Mate 1.14 on Debian Jessie?

Postby paschalis.sp » 2016-10-05 18:59

stevepusser wrote:Hmmm--what's the result of

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apt-cache-policy mate-desktop-environment mate-desktop-environment-core


apt-cache policy mate-desktop-environment mate-desktop-environment-core
mate-desktop-environment:
Installed: 1.8.0+9
Candidate: 1.8.0+9
Version table:
1.16.0~bpo80.obs 0
500 http://download.opensuse.org/repositori ... ebian_8.0/ Packages
*** 1.8.0+9 0
900 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
mate-desktop-environment-core:
Installed: 1.8.0+9
Candidate: 1.8.0+9
Version table:
1.16.0~bpo80.obs 0
500 http://download.opensuse.org/repositori ... ebian_8.0/ Packages
*** 1.8.0+9 0
900 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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Re: Mate 1.14 on Debian Jessie?

Postby paschalis.sp » 2016-10-05 19:17

GarryRicketson wrote:
Is it safe to use the testing repository 1.14? Note that some applets are failing to update, i.e. mate-weather applet

If you are using Debian stable ,(now 8.6) , NO, it is not a good idea
to start using the "testing repos", and mixing them with the "stable" repos,you should be using the "stable" repos.
https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian

Looking at mine, which I just recently updated,and upgraded, (Sept 17)
All the mate packages upgraded to : 1.8 and 1.8.1

There is no real "mate-weather applet", the weather "applet" is
included in the "mate-applets" package, on my system, after
the upgrade, it is 1.8.1,
Are you confused about "updates" , maybe ?
See
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man apt-get

Read about "update", and then "upgrade",....simply running
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apt-get update

does not upgrade anything, it just reloads the package information,
from:'man apt-get':
update
update is used to resynchronize the package index files from
their sources. The indexes of available packages are fetched
from the location(s) specified in /etc/apt/sources.list. For
example, when using a Debian archive, this command retrieves and
scans the Packages.gz files, so that information about new and
updated packages is available. An update should always be
performed before an upgrade or dist-upgrade. Please be aware
that the overall progress meter will be incorrect as the size of
the package files cannot be known in advance.

upgrade
upgrade is used to install the newest versions of all packages
currently installed on the system from the sources enumerated in
/etc/apt/sources.list. Packages currently installed with new
versions available are retrieved and upgraded; under no
circumstances are currently installed packages removed, or
packages not already installed retrieved and installed. New
versions of currently installed packages that cannot be upgraded
without changing the install status of another package will be
left at their current version. An update must be performed first
so that apt-get knows that new versions of packages are
available.



if your package information is not showing the newer versions, and
you have tried updating, something is wrong,...

If you simply must have the shiniest newest versions, you could
upgrade your system to "testing",
OR
Also you might want to check the
"jessie backports"
You are running Debian stable because you prefer the stable Debian tree. It runs great, there is just one problem: The software is a little bit outdated compared to other distributions. That is where backports come in.


I do not know if there is any newer versions of the mate desktop utilities or
not, you should be able to check on that your self, "search" a little.
--------------- edited --------------------
No need to bother searching, I tried it myself , added jessie-backports to my sources.list, but the current version available is still 1.8. ---


I am not confused in any aspect... When things are broken, upgrades must be performed and not updates..

Thank you very much, but I am on Linux for nearly 20 years, so I pretty know the packages and how to tweak and setup my distos, for both desktop and server.

I am following also on Mate after it's first release, as I was on Gnome 2 for many years.
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Re: Mate 1.14 on Debian Jessie?

Postby stevepusser » 2016-10-05 20:01

paschalis.sp wrote:
stevepusser wrote:Hmmm--what's the result of

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apt-cache-policy mate-desktop-environment mate-desktop-environment-core


apt-cache policy mate-desktop-environment mate-desktop-environment-core
mate-desktop-environment:
Installed: 1.8.0+9
Candidate: 1.8.0+9
Version table:
1.16.0~bpo80.obs 0
500 http://download.opensuse.org/repositori ... ebian_8.0/ Packages
*** 1.8.0+9 0
900 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
mate-desktop-environment-core:
Installed: 1.8.0+9
Candidate: 1.8.0+9
Version table:
1.16.0~bpo80.obs 0
500 http://download.opensuse.org/repositori ... ebian_8.0/ Packages
*** 1.8.0+9 0
900 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


Obviously your system is giving priority to the stock Jessie versions, but I didn't see anything like that with the test Jessie Mate install and upgrade I did, and kaddy seems not to have either. The OBS doesn't seem to provide any "distro" version at all with its packages--maybe if you fooled around with the preferred distro in Synaptic's Preferences or adjusted the apt pinning, they'd be seen as upgrades?
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Re: Mate 1.14 on Debian Jessie?

Postby paschalis.sp » 2016-10-05 20:07

stevepusser wrote:
paschalis.sp wrote:
stevepusser wrote:Hmmm--what's the result of

Code: Select all
apt-cache-policy mate-desktop-environment mate-desktop-environment-core


apt-cache policy mate-desktop-environment mate-desktop-environment-core
mate-desktop-environment:
Installed: 1.8.0+9
Candidate: 1.8.0+9
Version table:
1.16.0~bpo80.obs 0
500 http://download.opensuse.org/repositori ... ebian_8.0/ Packages
*** 1.8.0+9 0
900 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
mate-desktop-environment-core:
Installed: 1.8.0+9
Candidate: 1.8.0+9
Version table:
1.16.0~bpo80.obs 0
500 http://download.opensuse.org/repositori ... ebian_8.0/ Packages
*** 1.8.0+9 0
900 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


Obviously your system is giving priority to the stock Jessie versions, but I didn't see anything like that with the test Jessie Mate install and upgrade I did, and kaddy seems not to have either. The OBS doesn't seem to provide any "distro" version at all with its packages--maybe if you fooled around with the preferred distro in Synaptic's Preferences or adjusted the apt pinning, they'd be seen as upgrades?


Not any other than default preferences on Synaptic.. Your point regarding pinning may be the answer.. Any suggestion, ever since OBS is not "distro"?
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Re: Mate 1.14 on Debian Jessie?

Postby stevepusser » 2016-10-05 21:00

Kaddy has an example earlier in this thread, but I was thinking that you already have one that might be blocking the upgrade.
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