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Installing KDE Plasma 5.10

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Installing KDE Plasma 5.10

#1 Post by gediminasel »

Hello.
I want to install `plasma-nm 5.10`(at least 5.9.5), but the current version in apt-get is `5.8.6`. How can I do that?

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#3 Post by gediminasel »

And there isn't any other way to install it exept `apt-get`?

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You could also try compiling it and installing it from the source code, but this has many pitfalls along the way for someone unfamiliar with doing that. Backporting it from upstream "debianized" source packages removes most of those, but either way is a lot of work for you and the computer. Since upstream Debian only has 5.8.7, you'd have to try and get debianized source from Ubuntu or KDE Neon.
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The gist of it is: Debian uses tried and tested packages which tend to lag behind the upstream. They're usually more stable, but don't have the latest features.

Short term solution: Install KDE Neon (Ubuntu LTS base) or Netrunner (Debian base).
Long term solution: KDE has started packaging with flatpak. So, I can picture a scenario where you'll be able to just install the entire latest KDE stack on Debian Stable in the very near future (flatpak is ready to use in Stretch).
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gediminasel wrote:Hello.
I want to install `plasma-nm 5.10`(at least 5.9.5), but the current version in apt-get is `5.8.6`. How can I do that?
Sounds like this may be an A-B problem. Why do you think you need a different version than what apt provides? Are you having network issues? Post what problem you are having rather than how to implement an inappropriate solution.

`plasma-nm 5.10` would be an integrated part of Plasma 5.10 which is not part of any Debian version yet. It is coming to unstable soon, but as you had to ask you shouldn't go there. You will encounter dragons.

Your question doesn't match your title either. plasma-nm is the network manager. If you meant you wish to install the entire Plasma 5.10 environment, as above. Not available yet, dragons.
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I cooked up a backport of Cinnamon 3.4 for MX Linux this afternoon, but that's just a small side dish compared to backporting KDE!

I'll put that Cinnamon in an OBS repository for Jessie and Stretch users tomorrow.
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gediminasel wrote:Hello.
I want to install `plasma-nm 5.10`(at least 5.9.5), but the current version in apt-get is `5.8.6`. How can I do that?
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gediminasel wrote:Hello.
I want to install `plasma-nm 5.10`(at least 5.9.5), but the current version in apt-get is `5.8.6`. How can I do that?
You can use Netrunner repositories to install KDE 5.10 , They're based on debian testing, you can install KDE 5.10 in strecth without any trouble. I did it with success, and Now Im using KDE 5.9(Netrunner).

I think you must use #Netrunner-Backports branch for installing KDE 5.10 with success.

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#Netrunner: 20170530 Testing Snaphoot (Stretch)
deb http://deb.netrunner.com/dci/packages/netrunner/ netrunner-1706 backports calamares ds9-artwork ds9-common extras frameworks kde-applications netrunner-desktop netrunner plasma plasmazilla qt5  

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#Netrunner-Backports Testing (Buster)
deb http://deb.netrunner.com/dci/packages/netrunner/ netrunner-backports backports calamares ds9-artwork ds9-common extras frameworks kde-applications netrunner-desktop netrunner plasma plasmazilla qt5 
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I checked last week, right way to install KDE 5.10 in stretch is using following repo.:

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#Netrunner
deb http://deb.netrunner.com/dci/packages/netrunner/ netrunner-1706 backports calamares ds9-artwork ds9-common extras frameworks kde-applications netrunner-desktop netrunner plasma plasmazilla qt5  
Then we do dist-upgrade:
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

if we got problems, we can use metapackage netrunner-desktop, to get the full plasma properly installed:
sudo apt-get install netrunner-desktop


I tested and it works very well erverithing, Netrunner 1706 is very compatible with stretch debian.
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The correct way to install Plasma 5.10 in testing or sid is now

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apt install plasma-desktop
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#12 Post by stevepusser »

Why do we need the Calamares installer to upgrade the KDE packages? And won't the apt system have a fit if you don't have a key for that repo?
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sunrat wrote:The correct way to install Plasma 5.10 in testing or sid is now

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apt install plasma-desktop
If you want it in Stretch, try bester's Frankenstall. I'm sure he will guarantee your money back if it misbehaves. :lol:
What about installing Plasma 5.10 in Stretch??, Netrunner repos. gives you this possibility:
Netrunner 17.06 is built over Debian Testing 2017.05.30 (if im not mistaken this is Stretch in freeze period); In my opinion this installation its not a frankendebian kind of installation. Anyways KDE plasma gives not much problem with the system, you keept it stable and only use it to upgarde DE Plasma.

Im now using PLasma 5.9 for six months or so without any problem (very stable) by using Netunner 1703 repos.
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stevepusser wrote:Why do we need the Calamares installer to upgrade the KDE packages? And won't the apt system have a fit if you don't have a key for that repo?
I dont know whats that calamares, i just used the repos. that created the Netrunner installation, and I dont find the key, it must be somewhere :? , but i dont really care, one i upgraded the plasma, i comment it and leave only debian's repos.
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Has anyone updated to 5.10 testing keeping the rest in Stretch; is it a bad idea?? :roll:
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bester69 wrote:I dont find the key, it must be somewhere
You'll need to grab it off the netrunner livecd, in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg. But this whole idea smells fishy if you ask me.
I tried installing plasma from that repo yesterday, it did not go well... I found no "netrunner-desktop" package, but I did find many, many conflicts.
That I apparently can't see their repo with a normal browser puts me off too.
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I wonder why the gpg netrunner server key seems so confidential.
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Buster has Plasma 5.10.5-2 now.
If you want to try it on Stretch, no-one will stop you. You know the deal, you get to keep all the pieces when it breaks. :wink:
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#19 Post by L_V »

I've been using Stretch about one year before it becomes "stable" (same for Wheezy & Jessie), and quite used to Debian for about let's say .. more than 13 years ?
It's a very long time I did not break anything without any solution (even don't remember).
Testing and SID currently have plasma 5.10, which probably means Buster will use plasma 5.10 when stable.
I already have Buster (+ very likely some pieces of SID) installed for some time on a separate partition (even on 2 PCs), and investigate (at least for test) how to have a future stable Buster basis with a bit more rolling plasma on it (> 5.11).
For example , Okular 4.16 in SID still uses qt4 libraries, and 4.17 (only in experimental) only qt5.
I try to prepare something without a mix of qt4 + qt5.
Once more, this is investigation for me, without any risk at all (currently on Stretch as daily desktop).

I've just launched Netrunner in live mode for the moment to see what it is.
A bit stuck for the moment with the netrunner "gpg server key" requested by apt { edit: solved }

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