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Re: PowerPC w/ Debian 8, fonts not rendering

Postby xepan » 2018-12-26 16:36

hirek wrote:I shall try these config file this evening and if need be reindtall Debian. My main use is scientific computing on a budget. Unfortunately, the Debian website states
Debian 9 regrettably removes support for the following architecture:

PowerPC (powerpc).


I am thus stuck with Jessie, but so far she has played ball, with CMake, g++, and Emacs :-).


As far i can tell you can install Debian Sid though:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ho ... 4.2146795/
I haven't made up my mind yet if i should use Debian Sid or OpenBSD, for the next few months i will just stick to old-stable.

Most people won't know that powerpc comes with it's own problems and solutions and think they can just apply what they know from their PC's. It is not always the case. Take answers with a grain of salt.
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Re: PowerPC w/ Debian 8, fonts not rendering

Postby hirek » 2018-12-26 18:35

Hi! Thanks so much for your reply! One quick question before inviting Sid: is that not supposed to be the unstable release, error-prone and likely to crash?
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Re: PowerPC w/ Debian 8, fonts not rendering

Postby hirek » 2018-12-26 19:19

@head_on_a_stick I am wondering, what if there is no folder
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~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf
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Would I just create the directory and hope that some package picks it up automatically or is the lack of directory indicative of something major not working here?

Thanks so much for all your help!
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Re: PowerPC w/ Debian 8, fonts not rendering

Postby GarryRicketson » 2018-12-26 19:20

This is more of opinion, but Debian SID can be ok, if you really know what you are doing, but yes, it also can crash, "SID", is the bad boy that breaks toys, that is partly why they used the name, but it also stands for Still In Development, this means everything is kind of maybe good, maybe not, and a advanced user knows how to deal with all of that.
by xepan »As far i can tell you can install Debian Sid though:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ho ... 4.2146795/
I haven't made up my mind yet if i should use Debian Sid or OpenBSD, for the next few months i will just stick to old-stable

Now , I wouldn't think twice about it, but back when Debian was Debian 7 wheezy, I started thinking twice, and ended up going to OpenBsd, have not looked back since then.
But OpenBsd is not for every one, but it is a very good option to look into.
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Re: PowerPC w/ Debian 8, fonts not rendering

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2018-12-26 22:24

hirek wrote:what if there is no folder
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~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf
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Would I just create the directory

Yes.
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Re: PowerPC w/ Debian 8, fonts not rendering

Postby xepan » 2018-12-26 22:31

I am with GarryRicketson as far Sid is concerned. I think you said you run openbox, so no full DE, which makes it even less likely to break.
Thing is: it can break. If someone wants to avoid that at all cost, then Sid is not the right choice.
I for one avoid Sid on the ppc (as of yet), as i am really not good with how i would do most basic troubleshooting on the powerpc (say reinstall the bootloader, yaboot?, how to chroot it, main problem here would be to find a working live CD, and re-installing and configuring can take quite some time. On a PC i do it in what? half an hour? like that).

But ! : as you only have the choice between old-stable/jessie, which very soon won't be even old-stable anymore (but what? stoneage-old-stable? :-) ) or Sid i think it is worth a shot.
Or, as many have already said, switch to OpenBSD right away (i guess that is what i will do in the future).
If people will complain: oh, ah, uh, why the heck you running Sid, you can answer: i go no choice.

Sid: install apt-listbugs, install apt-changelog (?), run updates really often, once a day won't hurt, once a week i would consider the absolute minimum.

My two cents, good luck with your original problem (fonts), of which i have no clue.
You sure you are running the correct graphics driver? (i guess yes, but enter the graphic card model as a searchterm at wiki.debian.org anyway. Perhaps it will show a minor detail you are missing regarding that card when using it on a powerpc. There are quite some pages, but they are not easy to find).

for your lulz: for me jessie makes pretty much all web-browsers segfault. Firefox doesn't, but it is way too slow to be usable, netsurf and dillo both work (but ... well ... i got used to it). No sound before days of searching and fiddling, etc. It sure is a challenge to use a ppc ... :-) , but the good thing: you are not alone, and it sure isn't you who adds problems, which others won't easily understand :-) Anyone who makes the OS boot at all is a winner in my book
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Re: PowerPC w/ Debian 8, fonts not rendering

Postby hirek » 2018-12-26 22:59

Hi, thanks for your detailed opinion, yes! So the purpose of this ancient machine is for me to compile and test my self-written executables in light mode (meaning a low number of Monte Carlo reps) before I run jobs on a Debian-based cluster while my dad likes to check email and navigate to the occasional website, maybe once every 2 weeks, hence the lightweight ambitions.

And the G4 is not fast, Lubuntu was crawling along, despite 1GB of RAM. It also seems overly stuffed for being 'lightware.' Tbh I don't see the point of having excessively many utilities with GUIs if one has to resort to terminal anyway at the slightest indication of something breaking. Case in point: Lubuntu capped the resolution at 1024x768 although my hardware can do more (1920x1080) and the resolution was an epic thread https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1743535 of command lining, so I headed straight back to a DIY Debian.

When you said
run updates often
, does that mean that Sid, even for PowerPC, is still being developed? The thing with Jessie is that it seems the admins are currently looking for companies or any private and qualified entity to keep maintaining it as they have already stopped with security updates, not sure if they find someone but there may be Jessie servers out there that do what they do well and just need attention if a hole is discovered, which is what I think they mean. (E.g. security.debian.org is no longer available for Jessie, all that IPv6 deactivation for nought...)

And thank you for the hint, so my next steps shall be to create the config file and try this here https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 which seems to go a bit beyond what PPC Luddite recommends to do in order to deal with Radeons. Without any 'non-free' driver Xorg won't even start but with it did. I find it difficult to see that it would be a graphics card issue when everything goes ok save the fonts in particular system menus, especially where the phenomenon would only pop up on a subset of the apps installed. So I am not expecting loads from taking care of the driver though playing by Debian's rules won't hurt I am sure. Next branch of the tree is to strong-arm the fonts by using non-compatible ones which has worked before but this time with Openbox not XFCE. If those two avenues fail, I shall go with OpenBSD and hopefully not look back if it came to that.


Thanks so much, you guys are awesome!
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Re: PowerPC w/ Debian 8, fonts not rendering

Postby Head_on_a_Stick » 2018-12-26 23:36

hirek wrote:Without any 'non-free' driver Xorg won't even start but with it did

Did you install the non-free firmware that is required by the open source AMD drivers for full performance?

Pro tip: check the Debian wiki rather than random blogs (and ask here if you're not sure).
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Re: PowerPC w/ Debian 8, fonts not rendering

Postby hirek » 2018-12-26 23:55

Hah good point, ok by
Did you install the non-free firmware that is required by the open source AMD drivers for full performance
?
did you mean
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sudo aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree
. Yes that was necessary for any kind of desktop.

And your point is very good, I just discovered this gem:
https://wiki.debian.org/PowerPC/FAQ#How_do_I_get_graphics_working.3F which makes reference to garbled text..
Will report back!
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