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Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby hafak43460 » 2019-11-26 21:02

What is the best way to install Firefox 70 with Debian Buster?

If I use the Mozilla binaries:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/in ... efox-linux

Then do I still need the Debian package Firefox ESR? For example, install the latest binaries in /opt or /usr/local/bin, but keep the ESR version on there to preserve dependencies?

I actually don't need/want ESR on there, I just don't want to mess up the dependencies.

The best option would be to use an actually officially supported Debian package of Firefox 70. Is this possible? Can I use the binaries from the unstable branch which does have the latest Firefox? Will it "work" on Buster? Perhaps I would recompile it instead? Anyway, I want to stay with stable branch for all packages EXCEPT Firefox (and if I must any neccessary dependencies).

Firefox 70 I want to be the latest release. Is this possible to keep my machine with stable branch but with the one exception of Firefox?

There's a pretty big boost in battery performance and overall improvement between 68 - > 70, it seems a little silly waiting for the next Debian release. Is it possible?
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby sunrat » 2019-11-26 22:38

There's about a million threads here on how to run the latest Firefox on stable.
Download the tarball, extract it and run it. I put it in ~/bin/
No you don't need ESR as well.
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby kedaha » 2019-11-26 23:08

I'm happy with firefox-esr but I see that one way to do it would be by using snap:
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root@debian:~# apt install snapd
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  squashfs-tools
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  snapd squashfs-tools

Followed by:
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root@debian:~# snap install firefox
2019-11-27T00:28:17+01:00 INFO Waiting for restart...
firefox 70.0.1-1 from Mozilla✓ installed

I tried it on my mate desktop system but for some reason I haven't figured out yet there's no icon in the mate menu and the usual firefox-esr launches with the command firefox, but it might work perfectly OK in Gnome or KDE.
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby pylkko » 2019-11-27 07:28

No, it's because if you install it from a archive that you downloaded (or apparently snap), you then need to remove the symlink from firefox to the ESR and put the icon yourself. I mean Debian (IIRC) has a symlink from the firefox bin to the ESR. So you need to remove that or use some other way to lauch your alternative firefox.

But you might want to check as there probably are also snap and flatpack packages of firefox
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby L_V » 2019-11-27 07:50

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https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/#product-desktop-release
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby Danielsan » 2019-11-27 13:23

I have been always using the binary method:

https://wiki.debian.org/Firefox
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby arochester » 2019-11-27 14:14

Might be heresy. Might breach "Don't Break Debian", with the introduction of a third party repository...

Ubuntuzilla works fine. Provides constantly updated Firefox, Thunderbird and/or Seamonkey to the latest release.

Unfortunate name though!

https://sourceforge.net/p/ubuntuzilla/wiki/Main_Page/
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby Bulkley » 2019-11-27 15:58

sunrat wrote:There's about a million threads here on how to run the latest Firefox on stable.
Download the tarball, extract it and run it. I put it in ~/bin/

+1.

I use this method to run several different browsers (I'm a browser junkie) and Thunderbird email client.
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby kedaha » 2019-11-27 21:48

OK Solved:
After doing
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# apt install snapd
# snap install firefox

All I had to do was:
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# cp /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications/firefox_firefox.desktop /usr/share/applications/

And "Firefox Web Browser" appears in my Mate desktop menu complete with the firefox icon and the usual options and doesn't interfere with my usual, default Firefox ESR, which can be run at the same time if desired.
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$ snap list |grep firefox
firefox  70.0.1-1   280   stable    mozilla*    -
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby sunrat » 2019-11-27 22:12

Snap is the very last method I would ever use to install software only after all other options have failed. I would seriously reconsider whether I need said software first.
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby kedaha » 2019-11-27 22:55

sunrat wrote:Snap is the very last method I would ever use to install software only after all other options have failed. I would seriously reconsider whether I need said software first.

Do you think it poses a security risk?
It is odd that snap is included Debian's stable main repository since it allows the easy installation of upstream software, including some that clearly contravene Debian policy like Opera, Skype and Spotify.
Anyway, I always use and recommend using Firefox ESR—with uBlock origin, both installed from the stable repository.
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby sunrat » 2019-11-28 00:07

kedaha wrote:
sunrat wrote:Snap is the very last method I would ever use to install software only after all other options have failed. I would seriously reconsider whether I need said software first.

Do you think it poses a security risk?

Yes, vulnerabilities have been found a few times in its underlying infrastructure and malware has been found in the snap store. Equally concerning is the duplication of resources by installing said underlying infrastructure. I did try to install a snap once and it wanted to pull in over half a GB of dependencies. Aborted and found a tinier alternative.
I think Ubuntu are heading in the direction of becoming a snap OS rather than a Linux OS.

It is odd that snap is included Debian's stable main repository since it allows the easy installation of upstream software, including some that clearly contravene Debian policy like Opera, Skype and Spotify.
Anyway, I always use and recommend using Firefox ESR—with uBlock origin, both installed from the stable repository.

Snap is open source and someone (probably from Ubuntu) offered to maintain it in Debian so it's in Debian. Not a guarantee of quality, security, or practicality.
Firefox ESR is perfectly fine for practically all users. Debian maintainers keep it well updated with security fixes so it's just as safe as upstream. It's many years since I installed FF from outside the repos. I would even suggest it is SNS syndrome to want the latest from upstream, with no real advantages most of the time.
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby pcalvert » 2019-11-28 07:16

arochester wrote:Might be heresy. Might breach "Don't Break Debian", with the introduction of a third party repository...

Ubuntuzilla works fine. Provides constantly updated Firefox, Thunderbird and/or Seamonkey to the latest release.

Unfortunate name though!

https://sourceforge.net/p/ubuntuzilla/wiki/Main_Page/


Yes, it definitely does work.

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$ apt policy firefox-mozilla-build
firefox-mozilla-build:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 70.0.1-0ubuntu1
  Version table:
     70.0.1-0ubuntu1 500
        500 http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/ubuntuzilla/mozilla/apt all/main i386 Packages


I don't use Firefox 70, but if I wanted to this is the method I would use to install it and keep it up to date.

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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby L_V » 2019-11-28 08:53

pcalvert wrote: keep it up to date.
It depends on what ubuntu is adding in their firefox packages:
Ubuntu firefox-esr-mozilla-build_68.2.0esr-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb 70.8 MB

Debian firefox-esr (68.2.0esr-1~deb10u1)_amd64 => 46 MB

They are not "same" firefox.
+ predicted dependency issues during updates.
Not so sure mixing ubuntu packages with Debian is a brilliant idea (....even sure).
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby arochester » 2019-11-28 09:01

@L_V

As far as I can see Ubuntuzilla adds the versions from Mozilla and not the versions from Ubuntu.

Ubuntuzilla: Mozilla Software Installer
APT repository for Mozilla software releases
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