Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby L_V » 2019-11-28 09:06

arochester wrote:As far as I can see Ubuntuzilla adds the versions from Mozilla
Mozilla does not make any deb packages.
Ubuntuzilla makes mozilla packages for ubuntu.
Easy to open deb files / data.gz to see the differences between Debian/Ubuntu(zilla) packages.

Size of firefox_70.0.1+build1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb from ubuntu repository => 47.5 MB
Size of firefox-mozilla-build_70.0.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb from Ubuntuzilla => 70.9 MB

Something weird, although both "ubuntu" like.
But Debian & ubuntu are using xz data compression, and ubuntuzilla gz data compression.
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby pcalvert » 2019-11-28 10:05

arochester wrote:@L_V

As far as I can see Ubuntuzilla adds the versions from Mozilla and not the versions from Ubuntu.


That's correct, and the package names make that quite clear:

firefox-esr-mozilla-build
firefox-mozilla-build
seamonkey-mozilla-build
thunderbird-mozilla-build


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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby L_V » 2019-11-28 10:16

pcalvert wrote: the package names make that quite clear: firefox-esr-mozilla-build

Not as clear as you presume if you consider the complete package names:
firefox-mozilla-build_70.0.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb from Ubuntuzilla

But of course, the original code of firefox comes from ... mozilla !
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby pcalvert » 2019-11-28 15:54

L_V wrote:Not as clear as you presume if you consider the complete package names:
firefox-mozilla-build_70.0.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb from Ubuntuzilla

It's an unfortunate (and potentially confusing) naming choice, but understandable considering that the project was started by an Ubuntu user.

L_V wrote:But of course, the original code of firefox comes from ... mozilla !

It does indeed -- I verified it myself. I installed the firefox-esr-mozilla-build (i386) package from Ubuntuzilla, as well as the tarball from Mozilla, and then checked the files using hashdeep.

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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby L_V » 2019-11-28 18:04

I've noticed differences between mozilla packages made for Debian or "ubuntu*" (especially with xdg-desktop-portal)
May be in Gnome environment, you will not notice any differences, but it does not mean there is no difference.
In Debian, I use the Debian release or the binary from Mozilla (tar.gz).

I even don't see how a generic ubuntu{zilla} deb package can properly manage dependencies over distribution releases (Debian and ubuntu).
But well, let's say, if "it works" , it's fine.... as long as it works fine.
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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby pcalvert » 2019-11-29 12:49

L_V wrote:I've noticed differences between mozilla packages made for Debian or "ubuntu*" (especially with xdg-desktop-portal)
May be in Gnome environment, you will not notice any differences, but it does not mean there is no difference.

I extracted the Mozilla tarball to /opt/firefox, and the Ubuntuzilla deb package installed Firefox ESR into /opt/firefox-esr. I analyzed those directories using hashdeep, and the contents of those two directories are identical (matching sha256sum values, and no missing or extra files).

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Re: Best way to install Firefox 70 on Debian Buster

Postby L_V » 2019-11-29 13:21

I was referring to differences between Debian/Ubuntu(zilla) packages.

Differences I also noticed were with "ubuntu" deb package more dedicated to gnome.
There is always some customization like for example, Debian adding '/usr/share/firefox-esr/distribution/searchplugins/common/debsearch.xml' , with customized default preferences like '/etc/firefox-esr/firefox-esr.js'.
Compilation options can be different between different builds.

Well, if you certify ubuntu{zilla} debs are 100% equivalent to mozilla builds, I trust you, although nothing clear about ubuntuzilla responsibilities, and nothing clear about how dependencies can be properly managed between ubuntu and Debian distribution releases.
My view is that technical priority is of course focused on Ubuntu => there is a ubuntuzilla "ppa".
If it works with Debian, it's fine, but any potential complaint like ubuntuzilla firefox "is not working" should be avoided.
Just to be kept in mind.
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