color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

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Re: color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

Postby debiman » 2018-10-26 03:44

i don't quite understand why AMD's proprietary driver would not have a GUI thingy to adjust that.
are you sure you installed the right one? i believe the full-featured suite is called catalyst.
in addition to the debian wiki, have a look at this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Amd

ShardDBN wrote:I wouldn't even know where to start trying to suss out the saturation command from terminal.

  • figure out which packages pertaining to the problem are installed
  • for each package, perform a 'dpkg -L package'
  • in the output, look for documentation
  • read
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Re: color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

Postby ShardDBN » 2018-10-27 09:29

Thanks for the tip on the driver config. I'll give it a go at some point.

ATI/Radeon is an older driver for older AMD cards. AFAIK RTX (polaris chipset) is not supported.

I believe the older drivers had GUI settings. This has yet to be released on the newer drivers (AMDGPU and AMDGPUPRO).

AMD are releasing incremental updates to the drivers on their website but no settings yet. The last update was four days ago and included some SUSE related stuff (thankfully they provide patch notes).

I also have no idea why you'd release GPU drivers with little to no settings for the end-user to configure.
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Re: color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

Postby debiman » 2018-10-27 10:53

ShardDBN wrote:ATI/Radeon is an older driver for older AMD cards. AFAIK RTX (polaris chipset) is not supported.

shouldn't you be using a newer driver then?
is polaris new or old? how new, how old?
which driver ARE you using atm, FOSS or proprietary closed source? which version?
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Re: color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

Postby bw123 » 2018-10-27 13:58

ShardDBN wrote:Thanks for the tip on the driver config. I'll give it a go at some point.

ATI/Radeon is an older driver for older AMD cards. AFAIK RTX (polaris chipset) is not supported.

I believe the older drivers had GUI settings. This has yet to be released on the newer drivers (AMDGPU and AMDGPUPRO).

AMD are releasing incremental updates to the drivers on their website but no settings yet. The last update was four days ago and included some SUSE related stuff (thankfully they provide patch notes).

I also have no idea why you'd release GPU drivers with little to no settings for the end-user to configure.


I sure don't know either, but I know that graphics hardware is a very competitive business.
I'm glad that amdgpu is available as open source. Have you considered that maybe some of AMD's feature set can't be implemented on linux because it would reveal proprietary technology in the hardware?
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Re: color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

Postby ShardDBN » 2018-10-27 23:19

@debiman

For Debian I tried both stable and testing. Both used different version of AMDGPU. Out of desperation I installed Ubuntu 18.04 LTS and I believe that also had a version of AMDGPU.

I also wound up installing the latest driver from the AMD website at one point to see if that had settings control (it didn't).

I was responding to the old Radeon (ATI) driver providing a settings GUI. My card (not cutting edge new but new enough) isn't supported by the older proprietary Radeon (ATI) driver.

@bw123

Could be but then why don't they just say that.

This saturation issue is literally the only thing stopping me from switching over. I can't recall the specific link but there is chatter of a settings GUI coming at some point (was on the AMD forums somewhere from memory).

I'll probably give it till whenever Nvidia release their lower-specced new gen cards (hopefully within 6 months). If AMD hasn't got their act together I'll be jumping ship as I know the Nvidia proprietary driver provides saturation control settings.
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Re: color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

Postby bw123 » 2018-10-27 23:32

I think using proprietary solutions for graphics on linux is kind of like wearing a raincoat in the shower. I mean, WhY!? If you want to run windows, just install it and run it. Why should linux try and imitate that model?

At leaST amdgpu is making an effort at open source, unlike nvidia. I can't really support proprietary software, because one of the reasons I use debian is because I want to support free (as in free beer, a band and hot waitresses + source code) software.

I think in the long run, it would not be advisabe to depend on either vendor to provide long-term solutions on linux.

It might be better to depend on and support the free implementations of the respective drivers. Oh wait, nvidia doesn't have one.. do they?

... why don't they just say that.
...


I'm not a lawyer, but the way I understand it, every corporation has a primary duty to their shareholders, not to the users of their product. There is no guarantee that any product is usable except on the os it is designed for. That ain't linux.

...My card (not cutting edge new but new enough) isn't supported by the older proprietary Radeon (ATI) driver.
...


Exactly. Let that sink in.
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Re: color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

Postby ShardDBN » 2018-10-28 00:12

Totally on board with the non-proprietary sentiment.

But if it means running a non-proprietary system except for a graphics driver so my display doesn't look like a cartoon show - I can live with that.

I've been adjusting down color saturation via drivers since win95. AMD has dropped the ball with their their implementation of AMDGPU from a quality user experience perspective.
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Re: color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

Postby bw123 » 2018-10-28 00:16

http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm (try Problem #7: That FOSS thing.)

Once again, I suggested that if your graphics look like a cartoon show on free amdgpu, that would be a bug. So if you want help with that, some hardware details and system info would be the way to get help.,. Your agenda seems to be about something else?

You've made several posts in the thread, but not shown hardware detected by lspci, or confirmed that you have installed the necessary firmware for amd-graphics. You don't really seem willing to answer any questions, you seem hell bent that the only solution to your cartoon problem is a slider to adjust "saturation" like win10 has. That's really closed-minded IMNSHO.

I did enjoy the exchange, because I am a radeon, ATI, and amd cpu supporter and user from way back, and I really admire their effort to develop an open source solution for this really old problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMDGPU
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Re: color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

Postby ShardDBN » 2018-10-28 05:19

It's not a bug. The default color saturation in AMDGPU is too high for my liking.

I get the same thing in windows and have to turn it down. Ditto if I'm using an Nvidia card.

It's not a hardware detection problem (AMDGPU installs fine and I did check that my card was registering as an RX550 (forget what cmd I used in terminal but it clearly came up as AMD RX550)).

It's not a firmware problem (I installed the required linux-firmware package).

You have to understand I'm not running linux on this box. To boot back into linux I'm disconnecting my windows/work hdds and connecting the drive I've got Debian installed on (all internal drives). That's a process.

I went back and forth over 3/4 days doing that between research and trying to suss out why there were no AMD settings, and then came here.

If you've ever adjusted color saturation at a GPU level over the last 20 years you'd realize this is basic functionality that any GPU driver should have (and typically does have).

I obviously get linux isn't windows but this is a GPU driver problem and failing to provide basic settings to the end-user is on AMD.

If you're currently using a vid card on AMDGPU, do you have access to color saturation settings? I'm all ears if you do because I'd like nothing more than to ditch windows.

If you want to get defensive about it, I think we've reached the limit of a constructive discussion.
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Re: color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

Postby ShardDBN » 2018-10-28 05:40

Here's someone asking for AMD GPU settings back in late 2016:

https://community.amd.com/thread/205212

Here again is an official AMD rep confirming no GUI settings (or any settings at all) in Feb 2017 - and again in April 2018:

https://community.amd.com/thread/212277

Someone asking specifically about color saturation in mid 2017:

https://community.amd.com/thread/217103

You going to insist that's not sloppy from AMD?
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Re: color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

Postby bw123 » 2018-10-28 05:53

What does any of it have to do with debian? This is a debian support forum. It's not bitch about AMD forum. If you think 2016 or 2017 is a long time to wait, then you on the wrong os. Linux is pretty slow development, sometimes people spend years reverse engineering this stuff, just to get it to work and by then it is obsolete.
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Re: color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

Postby ShardDBN » 2018-10-28 05:56

I give up. Thanks for your help.
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Re: color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

Postby debiman » 2018-10-28 07:48

ShardDBN wrote:@debiman

For Debian I tried both stable and testing. Both used different version of AMDGPU. Out of desperation I installed Ubuntu 18.04 LTS and I believe that also had a version of AMDGPU.

I also wound up installing the latest driver from the AMD website at one point to see if that had settings control (it didn't).

I was responding to the old Radeon (ATI) driver providing a settings GUI. My card (not cutting edge new but new enough) isn't supported by the older proprietary Radeon (ATI) driver.

@bw123

Could be but then why don't they just say that.

This saturation issue is literally the only thing stopping me from switching over. I can't recall the specific link but there is chatter of a settings GUI coming at some point (was on the AMD forums somewhere from memory).

I'll probably give it till whenever Nvidia release their lower-specced new gen cards (hopefully within 6 months). If AMD hasn't got their act together I'll be jumping ship as I know the Nvidia proprietary driver provides saturation control settings.


your inability to provide hard information (i'm sorry if this sounds like an insult; it isn't, really just stating the facts here, and it's nothing to be ashamed of) even after several requests tells me you should probably leave well enough alone.
in case you "messed things up", re-install - preferably something that already comes with some non-free stuff.
debian itself also offers this, but you might be happier with *buntu (and that isn't an insult either).
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Re: color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

Postby ShardDBN » 2018-10-28 12:32

No offense taken. Not providing the requested information is on me, apologies.

I just realized I can run the requested cmds via a live USB stick so I've gone and run that (cinnamon).

Here's the output for "lspci":

26:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Lexa PRO [Radeon RX 550/550X] (rev c7)


When I run "inxi";

CPU: 8-Core AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (-MT MCP-) speed/min/max: 1377/1550/3000 MHz Kernel: 4.18.0-2-amd64 x86_64 Up: 12m
Mem: 1688.7/16040.3 MiB (10.5%) Storage: 1.14 TiB (0.2% used) Procs: 303 Shell: bash 4.4.23 inxi: 3.0.27


dpkg -L xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu returns:


/.
/usr
/usr/lib
/usr/lib/xorg
/usr/lib/xorg/modules
/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers
/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/amdgpu_drv.so
/usr/share
/usr/share/X11
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-amdgpu.conf
/usr/share/bug
/usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
/usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu/changelog.Debian.amd64.gz
/usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu/changelog.Debian.gz
/usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu/changelog.gz
/usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu/copyright
/usr/share/man
/usr/share/man/man4
/usr/share/man/man4/amdgpu.4.gz
/usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu/script


I think that was what was requested. Does it help any?
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Re: color saturation (digital vibrance) RX550 using AMDGPU

Postby smoki » 2018-10-29 19:42

ShardDBN wrote:
ATI/Radeon is an older driver for older AMD cards. AFAIK RTX (polaris chipset) is not supported.

I believe the older drivers had GUI settings. This has yet to be released on the newer drivers (AMDGPU and AMDGPUPRO).



Yeah, they don't have this anymore with amdgpu/-pro, here is how that looks with Catalyst (fglrx)

Image

This is from GCN 1.1 APU, Polarises are not supported by this driver.

So no idea... maybe, i guess you can try to do something there via ddccontrol tool:

https://packages.debian.org/sid/gddccontrol

This probably just reads monitor's ddc and expose settings if available, so saturation might appear for you or might not... can't guess there :lol:
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