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No fonts after dist upgrade

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No fonts after dist upgrade

#1 Post by hafilip84 »

Hi!
Today I've made update of my Debian testing... After that I've lost fonts in my Gnome... There are all of menus, but all of them are blank. Also, there are no icons visible on desktop... Anyway: I remember where are few of them... If I doule-click this place they start what they are supposed to - still with no text.
Have you any idea how to fix this? I can still run consoles with ctrl+alt+F1...F6 as root.
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#2 Post by hafilip84 »

I've checked my /etc/xorg.conf - I'm supprised there is nothing about fonts. Is it normal?

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# xorg.conf (X.Org X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
	Driver		"kbd"
	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"
	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc105"
	Option		"XkbLayout"	"pl"
	Option		"XkbOptions"	"altwin:metawin"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
	Driver		"mouse"
	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier	"Configured Monitor"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier	"Default Screen"
	Monitor		"Configured Monitor"
EndSection
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#3 Post by hafilip84 »

OK... I've got no idea what to do... I've tried
dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
but there was no changes in my X... Also I exactly remember where is Synaptic in my menus, so I've made two or three anothers distro updates - also nothing... Is there anybody with any idea how to fix my X?
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#4 Post by hafilip84 »

While I still have same problem I'm thinking about anything to fix the problem... So: is there any logfile where I can find which package and when was installed/upgrated/uninstalled/anything with Synaptic?
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#5 Post by MeanDean »

So no fonts show on anything?

I would suggest reinstalling some packages. I would start by reinstalling xorg.

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#6 Post by hafilip84 »

MeanDean wrote:So no fonts show on anything?
Anything in X - yes. In text consoles everything is OK.
MeanDean wrote:I would suggest reinstalling some packages. I would start by reinstalling xorg.
with
# apt-get install --reinstall xorg
?
Allready done and haven't help :( It downloaded about 30 or 40 KB and there is no effect...
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#7 Post by hafilip84 »

My problem is still the same, but I've done some researches... What I've noticed is at almost every dist-upgrade in aptitude or synaptics make this errors:

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Konfigurowanie ttf-freefont (20060501cvs-12) ...
Updating fontconfig cache for /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont
No CIDSupplement specified for Penheulim-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Shinmun-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Gulim-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Graphic-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for BousungEG-Light-GB, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for KochiMincho-Regular-JaH, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for KochiGothic-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for JamoDotum-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Bom-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Taza-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Dotum-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Graphic-Bold, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for JamoBatang-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Pen-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Yetgul-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for GBZenKai-Medium, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for KochiMincho-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Pilgi-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Headline-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Batang-Bold, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for KochiGothic-Regular-JaH, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for JamoNovel-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Pilgi-Bold, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Gungseo-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for JamoSora-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Batang-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Dotum-Bold, defaulting to 0.
Konfigurowanie ttf-sil-gentium (1.02+dfsg1-5) ...
Updating fontconfig cache for /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-sil-gentium
No CIDSupplement specified for Penheulim-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Shinmun-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Gulim-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Graphic-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for BousungEG-Light-GB, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for KochiMincho-Regular-JaH, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for KochiGothic-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for JamoDotum-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Bom-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Taza-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Dotum-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Graphic-Bold, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for JamoBatang-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Pen-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Yetgul-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for GBZenKai-Medium, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for KochiMincho-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Pilgi-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Headline-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Batang-Bold, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for KochiGothic-Regular-JaH, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for JamoNovel-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Pilgi-Bold, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Gungseo-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for JamoSora-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Batang-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Dotum-Bold, defaulting to 0.
Konfigurowanie ttmkfdir (3.0.9-5.3) ...
Konfigurowanie unifont-bin (1:1.0-4) ...
Konfigurowanie tv-fonts (1.1-4) ...
Konfigurowanie xfonts-tipa (2:1.3-12) ...
No CIDSupplement specified for Penheulim-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Shinmun-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Gulim-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for JamoDotum-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Taza-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Dotum-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Yetgul-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Pilgi-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Headline-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Batang-Bold, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for KochiGothic-Regular-JaH, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Pilgi-Bold, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for JamoSora-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Graphic-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for BousungEG-Light-GB, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for KochiMincho-Regular-JaH, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for KochiGothic-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Bom-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Graphic-Bold, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for JamoBatang-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Pen-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for GBZenKai-Medium, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for KochiMincho-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for JamoNovel-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Gungseo-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Batang-Regular, defaulting to 0.
No CIDSupplement specified for Dotum-Bold, defaulting to 0.
Updating fontconfig cache for /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1
I searched for "cid" in aptitude and found this package: x-ttcidfont-conf. I've done
# dpkg-reconfigure x-ttcidfont-conf
and... Nothing... Still no fonts in my X...
I've also found logfile from apt-get/aptitude/synaptic: /var/log/apt/term.log
Anybody with any idea?
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#8 Post by sds »

I've got the same problem. I'm away from that machine at the moment, so can't check anything, though.

The problem occurred after an update, then also a fresh testing netinst install when I couldn't *see* anything to fix the problem.

The problem affects X -- KDE and Gnome are largely fontless. emacs and gnome-terminal still show fixed-width fonts. Gnome doesn't show any of its pixmaps, icons, etc either.

My other machine is also running testing, and isn't showing these problems. I'm tempted to point the finger at something screwy with the X server and my onboard graphics hardware (some Intel chipset; can't remember details off-hand). But, alas, I do not know.

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#9 Post by Bulkley »

[quote="hafilip84"]I've checked my /etc/xorg.conf - I'm supprised there is nothing about fonts. Is it normal?

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[/quote]

Yes.  Xorg does fonts by default.  However, if you have some exceptions, you might want them in there.  Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what is happening when Xorg boots.  

Two experiments you can try:
[code]# cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup 
Then remove xorg.conf. Reboot (or do Alt + Ctrl + Backspace). This will tell you if Xorg finds your defaults. You need a backup because your boot might hang and then you are nowhere until you put xorg.conf back in place.

Also, you probably have an older xorg.conf that is no longer in use. It will look like xorg.conf.20070924014843. Try substituting it for your present one and reboot. If this works and your new one does not, then you have an answer.

Also, I would do another update and dist-upgrade just to see if that would fix it.

Have you tried any of the windowmakers? Xfce, Icewm, Openbox? Do they have the same problem?

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#10 Post by hafilip84 »

Bulkley wrote:Yes. Xorg does fonts by default. However, if you have some exceptions, you might want them in there. Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what is happening when Xorg boots.
I will this evening and I'll post results. Now I have to use this machine under Windows ;/
Bulkley wrote:Also, I would do another update and dist-upgrade just to see if that would fix it.
I'm doing that few times per day... Not working ;/
Bulkley wrote:Have you tried any of the windowmakers? Xfce, Icewm, Openbox? Do they have the same problem?
Not yet... I was thinking about this but I haven't so much time... I think tomorrow I'll have some time...

About deleting xorg.conf: I'm doing dist-upgrades often (as I've written previously) so I've got one of the newest version of X.Org. As I read in others topics there might be problem with this file. I mean: are you sure it's still in use?
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#11 Post by Bulkley »

hafilip84 wrote:About deleting xorg.conf: I'm doing dist-upgrades often (as I've written previously) so I've got one of the newest version of X.Org. As I read in others topics there might be problem with this file. I mean: are you sure it's still in use?
Check this thread http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... highlight= and this one http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php? ... highlight=

A dist-upgrade might not update your xorg.conf. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. At the very least, try substituting one of the old ones.

Check your font files. Make sure they are all there. It is just possible that some of them have been removed in an upgrade and you didn't notice. Come to think of it, reinstalling font files wouldn't hurt.

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#12 Post by hafilip84 »

Bulkley wrote:Check your font files. Make sure they are all there. It is just possible that some of them have been removed in an upgrade and you didn't notice. Come to think of it, reinstalling font files wouldn't hurt.
Yeah... What is disturbing me is that I saw font-files in so many places that I cannot imagine where they really should be... Anyway: Which directories are really important?
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#13 Post by Bulkley »

hafilip84 wrote:Yeah... What is disturbing me is that I saw font-files in so many places that I cannot imagine where they really should be... Anyway: Which directories are really important?
Debian no puts most of them in /usr/share/fonts/ although there are usually some elsewhere. I would just go through the fonts you think you have and re-install some of them. Pick a few that you can use as a test.

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#14 Post by sds »

What font packages should I look to reinstall? Bear in mind I did a fresh testing netinst today, and wound up with the same problem as I was having before. I'm not convinced that reinstalling parts of a clean install will help.

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#15 Post by swirling_vortex »

Throwing in my two pennies, but try reloading the font cache (as root):

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fc-cache -fv

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#16 Post by sds »

Okay, from a clean slate (latest Etch release), I update x.org, since the i810 drivers included in stable don't understand my widescreen display. Prior to update: fonts and icons visible. Post update: no fonts or icons visible (but I do at least got the correct screen resolution ;) ).

Upgrading to xserver-xorg-video-intel seems to cause my problems.

This is my work machine, so I can't spend all too long digging and exploring for answers. But all fingers at my end are pointing to something bad relating to video drivers.

X.org appears to be finding fonts correctly, though it doesn't see any truetype fonts. Should there be any? Also, the fonts issue doesn't explain the lack of pixmaps in Gnome.

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#17 Post by Beka »

sds wrote:Okay, from a clean slate (latest Etch release), I update x.org, since the i810 drivers included in stable don't understand my widescreen display. Prior to update: fonts and icons visible. Post update: no fonts or icons visible (but I do at least got the correct screen resolution ;) ).

Upgrading to xserver-xorg-video-intel seems to cause my problems.

This is my work machine, so I can't spend all too long digging and exploring for answers. But all fingers at my end are pointing to something bad relating to video drivers.

X.org appears to be finding fonts correctly, though it doesn't see any truetype fonts. Should there be any? Also, the fonts issue doesn't explain the lack of pixmaps in Gnome.
I'm having the same problem. With the same video hardware. Anyone knows a way to look for the last update of certain package?

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#18 Post by Bulkley »

I've done some Googling around without much of an answer. It seems to be an issue that pops up from time to time but with different causes.

The easiest troubleshooting approach is to start simply. If you have access to a "live" distro, try it. That will eliminate hardware issues.

Then, boot to single user mode. After that 'startx'. Pay attention to any warnings. When you get to your login screen choose a window manager. Don't go into your usual Desktop; you want to eliminate Gnome or Kde as part of the problem. Examine your logs: Xorg.0.log and dmesg especially. Write down any warnings that you see so that you have a record.

Sorry if this seems rather basic. I spent many years as a technician for a very large company and found that the best way to troubleshoot is to get a cup of fresh coffee and sit down and think it through and then split the problem into simple bits.

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#19 Post by sds »

Bulkley wrote:The easiest troubleshooting approach is to start simply. If you have access to a "live" distro, try it. That will eliminate hardware issues.
It's not a hardware issue, that much is for sure. I've been using this box for about a year without issue. A re-install of Debian got things going again, but the drivers in stable don't understand my widescreen monitor. But when I update the drivers, I lose fonts and pixmaps.

There are no warnings in my Xorg.0.log, though it does complain about a missing font package or two. Nothing that I'd guess would be a showstopper:

I get a few lines like:

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(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims not to support visual 0x23 
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims not to support visual 0x24 
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims not to support visual 0x25 
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims not to support visual 0x26 
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims not to support visual 0x27 
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims not to support visual 0x28 
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims not to support visual 0x29 
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims not to support visual 0x30 
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims not to support visual 0x31 
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims not to support visual 0x32
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(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
        Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist.
        Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType" does not exist.
        Entry deleted from font path.
... but it finds all the others (e.g., 75dpi, 100dpi, etc). I don't see anything unusual in dmesg.

I'm afraid I don't have much time to burn on this problem, as I'll be out of the office probably until the middle of next week.

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#20 Post by Beka »

I have the very same log lines as you, sds... how can I revert the last drivers update?

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