Nope. Try again.Is there anything obvious I'm not doing here?
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Howto: Set up and Maintain a Mixed Testing/Unstable System
- anarchyinc666
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Nice Howto, I've been wondering how I was going to do this the correct way once the freeze is over and I might have to start pulling programs from stable or testing. Is unstable ever actually "unstable" this has been the most stable OS I have ever used.
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It worked now, thank you for the guide and the time it took you to write itrickh wrote:Nope. Try again.Is there anything obvious I'm not doing here?
A follow-up question: if for some reason I wish to go back to a purely Lenny system, what method do you recommend to do so?
My thought is:
1) # aptitude purge iceweasel
2) remove the sid sources from my /etc/apt/sources.list
3) # aptitude update && aptitude install iceweasel
Thanks again!
With a Howto as well written and discussed as this one, newbies should read the entire thread before recycling issues that have already been discussed.A follow-up question: if for some reason I wish to go back to a purely Lenny system, what method do you recommend to do so?
As long as your entire Sid contribution consists of one program, your method will, of course, work. In your case, of course, you don't even have to remove Sid. The only way you'll ever get another program from Sid is if you specify it with -t ... of course.
Debian-Lenny/Sid 32/64
Desktop: Generic Core 2 Duo, EVGA 680i, Nvidia
Laptop: Generic Intel SIS/AC97
Desktop: Generic Core 2 Duo, EVGA 680i, Nvidia
Laptop: Generic Intel SIS/AC97
@richk - I'd like to use vlc from the experimental repo. I used your method to get it and all is well. When I did an apt-show-versions | grep unstable I had a few extra packages installed that were not present prior to the vlc installation. Does aptitude mix and match from the lenny, unstable, and experimental repos as it goes? After issuing an aptitude remove vlc, I still had a few unstable libraries installed. I then attempted to remove them, but aptitude told me it would remove over 200 packages in the process including gnome. What am I doing wrong?
It might. It will definitely pull files from Sid to satisfy dependencies for an Experimental application you requested.Does aptitude mix and match from the lenny, unstable, and experimental repos as it goes?
You're doing nothing wrong. You're just learning about metapackages and mixed systems. Learn carefully.
Those packages didn't get there by themselves. If they didn't come with your vlc installation, they came with something else you pulled from either Experimental or Unstable. If you installed an app that needed a Gnome dependency upgraded, it's likely that Gnome claimed it even after you deleted the application it came with.
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Debian-Lenny/Sid 32/64
Desktop: Generic Core 2 Duo, EVGA 680i, Nvidia
Laptop: Generic Intel SIS/AC97
Desktop: Generic Core 2 Duo, EVGA 680i, Nvidia
Laptop: Generic Intel SIS/AC97
Thanks for the info.. trial by fire I just reinstalled my system. I'd like to have the more recent vlc, but I'm not willing to potentially roach my system again. Is there any other option or do I have just have to accept that some libs will remain even when the package that installed them has been removed?
Use debfoster, deborphan, orphaner, and dpkg --get-selections to find unneeded packages and libs.graysky wrote:Thanks for the info.. trial by fire I just reinstalled my system. I'd like to have the more recent vlc, but I'm not willing to potentially roach my system again. Is there any other option or do I have just have to accept that some libs will remain even when the package that installed them has been removed?
Debian GNU/Linux Sid | Intel Celeron 2.2GHz | 224mb RAM | 27GB HD | 320GB Ext. HD | dwm
If you're installing a package from experimental (aptitude install <packagename>/experimental) then aptitude will pull any dependencies that can't resolved from testing/unstable from experimental. It will prefer the packages from testing/unstable.graysky wrote:@richk - I'd like to use vlc from the experimental repo. I used your method to get it and all is well. When I did an apt-show-versions | grep unstable I had a few extra packages installed that were not present prior to the vlc installation. Does aptitude mix and match from the lenny, unstable, and experimental repos as it goes? After issuing an aptitude remove vlc, I still had a few unstable libraries installed. I then attempted to remove them, but aptitude told me it would remove over 200 packages in the process including gnome. What am I doing wrong?
If you install using "aptitude -t experimental <packagename>" then it will prefer experimental and will look there first for any dependencies it needs, that are not already installed.
The unstable libraries that you have installed that would pull over 200 packages probably (almost certainly) have versions in testing. You could always force a downgrade to the testing version. If you have a version from unstable installed then "aptitude install <packagename>/testing" will force a downgrade.
Synaptic is for children and incompetent newbies. There is a GUI version of Aptitude that will probably move into Sid sometime after the Lenny freeze. Quick! Learn how to use Aptitude correctly (from the command line) before the confusion starts.
Debian-Lenny/Sid 32/64
Desktop: Generic Core 2 Duo, EVGA 680i, Nvidia
Laptop: Generic Intel SIS/AC97
Desktop: Generic Core 2 Duo, EVGA 680i, Nvidia
Laptop: Generic Intel SIS/AC97
That's exactly why I'm interested.. nothing wrong with children and newbies btwrickh wrote:Synaptic is for children and incompetent newbies.
Ok, nice.There is a GUI version of Aptitude that will probably move into Sid sometime after the Lenny freeze. Quick! Learn how to use Aptitude correctly (from the command line) before the confusion starts.
Besides that, ' they' say that apt is now also installing the recommended dependencies. Does this mean I can also use apt-get in a mixed system now? Are there still advantages for aptitude?
I've noticed that aptitude search doesn't find packages pretty often...
For example
no response from aptitude, apt-cache does...
EDIT: and file-bugs can't find the info:
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d@debianstudio32:~$ aptitude search apt-show-versions
d@debianstudio32:~$ apt-cache search apt-show-versions
apt-show-versions - lists available package versions with distribution
metche - configuration monitor to ease collective administration
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Retrieving bug reports... 0% Fail
E: HTTP GET failed
Retry downloading bug information?[Y/n]? y