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Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#61 Post by craigevil »

widz wrote:How about iceweasel 3.5?
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1) Gecko/20090707 Firefox/3.5 (Debian-3.5-1) <iceweael 3.5

The reason is simple if you do not like it run Mozilla's Firefox or swiftfox.
Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Co ... _in_Debian for more information.

The Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines

The question is why this thread is unlocked when it was locked a while back.

Debian uses iceweasel period.

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#62 Post by bugsbunny »

widz wrote:How about iceweasel 3.5?
http://glandium.org/blog/

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#63 Post by 4D696B65 »

What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet


iceweasel smells as sweet :D

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#64 Post by in_texas_dallas »

Whoa 63 posts for that question. Here's some links to clear up the matter.

Here is what two browser detectors tells me I have, and I use Iceweasel on Debian/lenny

Detect my browser [1]
http://www.quirksmode.org/js/detect.html
Let's detect your browser:

You're using Mozilla 1.9 on Linux!

Detect my browser [2]
http://detectmybrowser.com/

Free browser detection

This page gives you basic information about the browser you are using.
Browser Mozilla
Version 1.9
Operating System Linux

The official [and comprehensive] wiki on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Co ... an_project

The fundamental differences are that Debian wouldn't use the logo and that debian actually is patching the browser supplied with Debian [as opposed to Mozilla].

Other than that, same browser.

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Installing Firefox in Debian - The No Brainer way

#65 Post by johnwaynegoodin »

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It's quite easy to install Firefox as a sort of a portable app in Debian.
Sort of like downloading a zipped version of Firefox in Windows and extracting it to a folder.

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In KDE the steps are:

A. Visit - http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/personal.html
And you should see something like:

Upgrade Your Firefox
3.5.2, English (US), Linux (9.4MB)
Download Now - Free

And it will ask you to download "firefox-3.5.2.tar.bz2"

B. Download it into your home folder.

C. Launch the file and it should load in Konqueror and show a firefox folder. Right click on the folder name and select [COPY-TO] - [HOME FOLDER] - [COPY HERE]. This will create a /firefox folder under your home account.

D. Change over to the firefox folder and select the Tree view.

E. Look for the file named "firefox" that shows the "File Type" as "Shell Script". Click it and that's all it takes.

There is one bummer however - The only problem doing it this way is this is per user account. Each and every user will have to do these same steps in their own home directory.

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As far as putting a shortcut to the file on the KDE desktop the steps are:

1. Right Click on the KDE desktop and select.

A. Create New - Link to Application

B. On the [General Tab] type Firefox

C. On the [Application Tab]

A. Description: Firefox

B. Command: Either Browse to the shell script or key it is as something like '/home/username/firefox/firefox'
Note: The single quotes are required!

C. Work Path: /home/username/firefox

2. Note at this point it's icon will be the Gear. To change it to a Firefox icon do these steps.

A. Click on the Icon in the [General Tab]

B. Click [Other Icons] and [Browse]

C. Click in the [Icons] Folder and select your favorite.

Personally I selected 'mozicon128.png" because I like my icons huge.

3. Save it and you are good to go.

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#66 Post by Jersey Toad »

I have not managed to get Iceweasel to load for months. Probably it times out buit I haven't found where to set the timeout in KDE4 yet! A second attempt says an instance is already running, so it won't load again. I use Galeon and Kazehakase (because ' in Galeon sends a search message to Yuku boards that K can turn off)

BTW Last time I looked at Firefox it told me it wasn't going to play on an amd-64

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#67 Post by Bulkley »

Jersey Toad wrote:I have not managed to get Iceweasel to load for months. Probably it times out buit I haven't found where to set the timeout in KDE4 yet!
I suggest that you purge it, including the hidden configuration files. Then re-install it.

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Re: Maybe try pretending your browser is made by Micro$oft?

#68 Post by debianized »

Ahtiga Saraz wrote:one possible fix would be to install a Mozilla add-on (the iceweasel menus work the same way as Firefox) called "User Agent Switcher" which allows you to pretend that your browser is some generic Micro$oft thingie..
I run squid in anonmyous mode, which strips out all headers, but squid is chained to Privoxy, so I set the user agent string in Privoxy.

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#69 Post by oldboy »

I don't mind using iceweasel. But, yesterday, I decided to download ADP (ad block plus) and install it, and it says it is for firefox only. So, it seems to me iceweasel is somewhat limited compared to firefox?
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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

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oldboy wrote:I don't mind using iceweasel. But, yesterday, I decided to download ADP (ad block plus) and install it, and it says it is for firefox only. So, it seems to me iceweasel is somewhat limited compared to firefox?
Extensions works just the same in Iceweasel as they do in Firefox.
Generated: Wed Nov 11 2009 19:04:46 GMT-0500 (EST)
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091028 Iceweasel/3.5.4 (Debian-3.5.4-1)
Build ID: 20091010222447

Enabled Extensions: [17]
- Adblock Plus 1.1.1
- Adblock Plus: Element Hiding Helper 1.0.6
- BetterPrivacy 1.45
- ChatZilla 0.9.85
- CoLT 2.4.5
- Copy URL + 1.3.3
- CustomizeGoogle 0.76
- FlashGot 1.2.0.7
- Forecastfox 0.9.10.1
- Konquefox 1.7.0
- Mouse Gestures Redox 2.1.4
- MR Tech Toolkit 6.0.3.4
- Nightly Tester Tools 2.0.2
- NoScript 1.9.9.14
- PDF Download 3.0.0.1
- Stylish 1.0.7
- Xmarks 3.3.2

Disabled Extensions: [3]
- Extended Copy Menu 1.6
- Google Gears 0.5.30.0
- Google Toolbar for Firefox 5.0.20090324L

Total Extensions: 20

Installed Themes: [2]
- Default
- Mostly Crystal 3.5

Installed Plugins: (9)
- Adobe Reader 9.1
- DivX Browser Plug-In
- Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_16
- mplayerplug-in is now gecko-mediaplayer 0.9.8
- OpenOffice.org Plug-in
- QuickTime Plug-in 7.4.5
- RealPlayer 9
- Shockwave Flash
- Windows Media Player Plug-in
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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#71 Post by oldboy »

Thanks. I am using lenny, but I try to install again, 1.1.1 does not work, have to use older version 1.0.2. :D
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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#72 Post by luowenhui »

haven't feel any inconvenience yet. so far so good :D

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#73 Post by craigevil »

LOL got a good laugh today when iceweasel updated.
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.4) Gecko/20091028 Iceweasel/3.5.5 (like Firefox/3.5.5; Debian-3.5.5-1) , so uhm yeah its 'like' Firefox.

Hm wonder how the iceweasel 3.5.5 build was made before the Firefox 3.5.5 build.
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091102 Firefox/3.5.5 BTW I gave up on iceweasel, it uses way more ram/cpu than firefox, crashes more often on flash/java sites, and loads pages slower.
Generated: Fri Nov 13 2009 04:12:56 GMT-0500 (EST)
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091102 Firefox/3.5.5
Build ID: 20091102141836

Enabled Extensions: [18]
- Adblock Plus 1.1.1
- Adblock Plus: Element Hiding Helper 1.0.6
- BetterPrivacy 1.45
- ChatZilla 0.9.85
- CoLT 2.4.5
- Copy URL + 1.3.3
- CustomizeGoogle 0.76
- FireTray 0.2.3
- FlashGot 1.2.0.8
- Forecastfox 0.9.10.1
- Konquefox 1.7.0
- Mouse Gestures Redox 2.1.4
- MR Tech Toolkit 6.0.3.4
- Nightly Tester Tools 2.0.2
- NoScript 1.9.9.14
- PDF Download 3.0.0.1
- Stylish 1.0.7
- Xmarks 3.3.2

Disabled Extensions: [1]
- Google Toolbar for Firefox 5.0.20090324L

Total Extensions: 19

Installed Themes: [2]
- Default
- Mostly Crystal 3.5

Installed Plugins: (10)
- Adobe Reader 9.1
- Default Plugin
- DivX Browser Plug-In
- Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_16
- mplayerplug-in is now gecko-mediaplayer 0.9.8
- OpenOffice.org Plug-in
- QuickTime Plug-in 7.4.5
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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#74 Post by bugsbunny »

I suspect that the build date is from xulrunner (for 3.5.5 I'm using xulrunner-1.9.1), and that you didn't update that.
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091112 Iceweasel/3.5.5 (like Firefox/3.5.5; Debian-3.5.5-1) - Build ID: 20091028154542
Note the difference in rv number between what I posted and what you did. I have xulrunner-1.9.1 version 1.9.1.5-1. I'd guess that you have version 1.9.1.4

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#75 Post by oldboy »

Not that it is very important, but would like to know how I can get these newer versions into lenny. TIA
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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#76 Post by resolv_25 »

It is not difficult to manually install Firefox as explained johnwaynegoodin.
iceweasel and Firefox are not the same. Any web developer will notice the difference.
There are features on firefox that are not working on Iceweasel.
Firefox is widespread and the best supported, and much better and easier life would be to
use this browser.

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#77 Post by bugsbunny »

There are features on firefox that are not working on Iceweasel.
Such as?

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#78 Post by BioTube »

APNG.
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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#79 Post by bugsbunny »

BioTube wrote:APNG.
shh - that's the only one I know of. And it's easy enough to recompile xulrunner if you you really want it. As to why see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486209

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#80 Post by trey »

Why couldn't the Debian Developers just put Firefox in non-free? I understand that some people don't want to use non-free software, but for those people, why do your ethics let you use something from Mozilla anyway? The default desktop environments from Debian can use what they already have instead -- GNOME already has Epiphany (my favorite), KDE has Konqueror, and then there is Midori for lightweight environments such as XFCE and LXDE, and others stlil.

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