Google Chrome is go for beta on Linux!

[craigevil]

At the same time I found Iron a week or two ago I also found this thing Uzbl

I still don't really know what it is yet, But I try to play with it once or twice a week.
it's in main too

Uzbl - web interface tools which adhere to the unix philosophy. - http://www.uzbl.org/

IS pretty coool once you get the hang of the command. Light weight, fast and since it uses webkit, plugins like flash work.
Of course it is definitely a browser for geeks. It is one of those nifty tools like surfraw.

[dbbolton]

At the same time I found Iron a week or two ago I also found this thing Uzbl

I still don't really know what it is yet, But I try to play with it once or twice a week.
it's in main too

Uzbl - web interface tools which adhere to the unix philosophy. - http://www.uzbl.org/

IS pretty coool once you get the hang of the command. Light weight, fast and since it uses webkit, plugins like flash work.
Of course it is definitely a browser for geeks. It is one of those nifty tools like surfraw.

Installing from sid atm

[dbbolton]

I owe livv and craigevil a big "thank you". I am loving uzbl so far.

[Serenity]

Well, I've finally given it a try. That's the official version, which I'm happy enough with for now (I was happy with Mozilla's official builds of Firefox for a long time, this isn't really much different), though I've noticed some things that I immediately don't like. Also, yes, 7/b/ is my homepage (the screenshot chosen appears to be as worksafe as /b/ can possible be). 4/b/ is dead to me.



1) The tab bar. This is the biggest issue, and I spotted it as soon as the 'tabs on top' thing was suggested. I have an auto-hiding panel at the top of my screen, in the centre, taking up about 80% of the screen width. If I have tabs right at the top of the screen while the browser is maximized (and it is maximized, all the time), then I keep floating the panel by mistake. I've partially solved this by re-enabling the title bar (I'll probably leave that there) but a more permanent solution would be to place the tab bar underneath the location bar, the location bar being rarely used enough these days that it wouldn't be nearly as annoying. Unfortunately, I see no way of doing this right now.

2) You can see two buttons to the right of the location bar, which I will call Page Control and Chrome Control. There's also a button to the right of the bookmarks bar, which I will call Other Bookmarks. To my mind, these are all in the wrong place. Putting them on the right means the menus that they spawn sub-menus to the left of the original, unlike every other menu on my system. I would effectively 'flip' these, placing all of these buttons on the right. The location bar line would thus be Chrome Control, Page Control, Back, Forward, Refresh (and Home if present), then the location bar itself. The bookmarks bar line would start with Other Bookmarks, then have the bookmarks toolbar. Again, I see no way of doing this right now.

3) I can get rid of the 'Classic Theme' (which I considered to be ugly and hard to use) in favour of my default GTK+ theme, but it seems the scroll bar and page widgets use Chrome's theme no matter what. This has some practical advantages for the page widgets, but I don't see why the scroll bar must follow, and they both look ugly next to my GTK+ theme anyway. Also, the scroll bar doesn't do smooth scrolling and has no scroll buttons (Google may think these are a bad idea, but I'd like a say in the matter too thank you very much).

Aside from these three issues (which may be solvable in ways that I haven't found yet), the browser does seem promising though. It'd be nice to see Chromium or some other derivative in Debian someday.

[Jackiebrown]

So will any version of google chrome be available from the debian repos? I really want to install chrome but I absolutely refuse to install anything outside the official repos (I'm on squeeze) ! :P

One of the sidux guys packages the open source version

deb http://frickelplatz.de/debian/ sid main non-free contrib

I have been using it for the past few weeks. I find it faster than firefox and more stable. It does use more memory though since each tab uses it's own process. The nice side of that, though, is that I have never had 1 tab crash my browser which happened many times in firefox.

Order of browser use currently for me is:
Chroumium (96%)
Konqueror (3%) (Konquerer remembers secure passwords for me - like my banking and work email so I use it when I am feeling lazy)
Iceweasel (1%) (Just to grab some of my bookmarks)

[justaguynpc]

So will any version of google chrome be available from the debian repos? I really want to install chrome but I absolutely refuse to install anything outside the official repos (I'm on squeeze) !

One of the sidux guys packages the open source version

deb http://frickelplatz.de/debian/ sid main non-free contrib

I have been using it for the past few weeks. I find it faster than firefox and more stable. It does use more memory though since each tab uses it's own process. The nice side of that, though, is that I have never had 1 tab crash my browser which happened many times in firefox.

Order of browser use currently for me is:
Chroumium (96%)
Konqueror (3%) (Konquerer remembers secure passwords for me - like my banking and work email so I use it when I am feeling lazy)
Iceweasel (1%) (Just to grab some of my bookmarks)

I agree with jackiebrown. I have been using the "frickelplatz" chromium for probably just as long. Having had chrome installed left me with a creepy feeling, open-source gets to be a habit .........

[AdrianTM]

Why should I trust "frickelplatz" more than Google? Is there a straight way to compile the Chromium sources to test frickelplatz's binaries?

My understanding is that Google Chrome is pretty much Chromium with the Google logo and name added, pretty much like Firefox vs. Iceweasel, but I might be wrong... in any case I trust Google enough, and if they squander my trust and screw up their customers at least there's somebody who has lots of money to be sued, not so with some quasi-anonymous packager on the internet...

[craigevil]

Why should I trust "frickelplatz" more than Google? Is there a straight way to compile the Chromium sources to test frickelplatz's binaries?

My understanding is that Google Chrome is pretty much Chromium with the Google logo and name added, pretty much like Firefox vs. Iceweasel, but I might be wrong... in any case I trust Google enough, and if they squander my trust and screw up their customers at least there's somebody who has lots of money to be sued, not so with some quasi-anonymous packager on the internet...

well we all know the sidux devs are down right nuts:

http://www.sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic ... hrome.html
Any "debian"-package touching /etc/apt/ can be considered malware, and should be avoided.
There is also really no reason to use the packages from Google, as towo's Chromium packages are well done and always up to date. The deal is that you have to trust towo, instead of Google - well, my personal choice is clear here Wink.
Greetings,
Chris

God forbid Google, Opera add a line to your sources.list so that the package stays updated. One more instance of them being nuts just like their stance on smxi and people that use Gnome or any other package they refuse to support even if it may be in "official" Debian repos.
From the Google Chrome page:
Note: Installing Google Chrome will add the Google repository so your system will automatically keep Google Chrome up to date. If you don't want Google's repository, do "sudo touch /etc/default/google-chrome" before installing the package.

Not like it doesn't warn you.

I am with Adrian on this one, better to trust Google than some hack.

[Qew]

well we all know the sidux devs are down right nuts:

http://www.sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic ... hrome.html
Any "debian"-package touching /etc/apt/ can be considered malware, and should be avoided.
There is also really no reason to use the packages from Google, as towo's Chromium packages are well done and always up to date. The deal is that you have to trust towo, instead of Google - well, my personal choice is clear here Wink.
Greetings,
Chris

God forbid Google, Opera add a line to your sources.list so that the package stays updated.

Just a minor correction for correction's sake: Opera doesn't touch the sources.list file, it adds a file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory. Yeah, similar outcome, but at least it's not directly interfering with the sources.list file. If it sees that you do have an entry in sources.list for its repository (which had to be manually added), then it won't create the file in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory.

[craigevil]

well we all know the sidux devs are down right nuts:

http://www.sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic ... hrome.html
Any "debian"-package touching /etc/apt/ can be considered malware, and should be avoided.
There is also really no reason to use the packages from Google, as towo's Chromium packages are well done and always up to date. The deal is that you have to trust towo, instead of Google - well, my personal choice is clear here Wink.
Greetings,
Chris

God forbid Google, Opera add a line to your sources.list so that the package stays updated.

Just a minor correction for correction's sake: Opera doesn't touch the sources.list file, it adds a file to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory. Yeah, similar outcome, but at least it's not directly interfering with the sources.list file. If it sees that you do have an entry in sources.list for its repository (which had to be manually added), then it won't create the file in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory.

Yeah thats the same place Google puts its repo.

[justaguynpc]

craigevil writes: "I am with Adrian on this one, better to trust Google than some hack."

Not that it makes any difference what software people use, or their reasons for using it, I choose to use what I do because it works for me. I do find it a little confusing though, craigevil, that your opinion of sidux developers, and now the open-source chromium package are at odds with the statement you made earlier (above).

After reviewing your Giant Debian sources.list the sidux repository and the frickelplatz repository for chromium are both found there.

Can you clarify for those users who may not understand your philosophy?

Thanks

[llivv]

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[craigevil]

craigevil writes: "I am with Adrian on this one, better to trust Google than some hack."

Not that it makes any difference what software people use, or their reasons for using it, I choose to use what I do because it works for me. I do find it a little confusing though, craigevil, that your opinion of sidux developers, and now the open-source chromium package are at odds with the statement you made earlier (above).

After reviewing your Giant Debian sources.list the sidux repository and the frickelplatz repository for chromium are both found there.

Can you clarify for those users who may not understand your philosophy?

Thanks

The Giant sources.list is just a place I put all of the repos that have debian packages that I come across. I do have a sidux kernel along with the liquorix installed simply because I haven't been able to get a Debian kernel to boot since 2.6.26.

sidux itself is a good distro, it is just the attitude of some of the devs I do not agree with.
I have no issue with using chromium over chrome, I would rather trust Google. use what works for you. I gave up on chrome it is slower than Firefox and way slower than Uzbl for me.

[sir fer]

That explains why Opera won't leave my computer alone even when I uninstall and remove it from the sources.list

Also explains why I don't use opera too..can't stand nuisance-ware.

[dbbolton]

That explains why Opera won't leave my computer alone even when I uninstall and remove it from the sources.list

Also explains why I don't use opera too..can't stand nuisance-ware.

I remember getting into an argument about that exact issue. I think I was ultimately called paranoid (or maybe I imagined it).

[deach]

ok well after all the fuss about this, has anybody actually gotten this browser to "FULLY" work. Ie play movies in it, javascript, (national weather service still uses that here) and and not crash every few minutes? Just curious. I have to be totally honest here, my experience has left me with a bad taste in my mouth for either of the "chrome" browsers.

[AdrianTM]

ok well after all the fuss about this, has anybody actually gotten this browser to "FULLY" work. Ie play movies in it, javascript, (national weather service still uses that here) and and not crash every few minutes? Just curious. I have to be totally honest here, my experience has left me with a bad taste in my mouth for either of the "chrome" browsers.

I don't know what you are talking about, I'm using unstable version not even the beta and never saw a crash, and it plays Flash, Java (and this on a 64 bit system) just fine.

[craigevil]

$ apt-cache policy google-chrome-unstable
google-chrome-unstable:
Installed: 4.0.288.1-r35555
Candidate: 4.0.288.1-r35555
Version table:
*** 4.0.288.1-r35555 0
500 http://dl.google.com stable/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

works ok, but I find it is slower than Firefox and Uzbl.
These days I am using Uzbl like 99% of the time, and Firefox the other 1% for the odd site that doesn't work quite right with Uzbl like gmail.

[deach]

ok well after all the fuss about this, has anybody actually gotten this browser to "FULLY" work. Ie play movies in it, javascript, (national weather service still uses that here) and and not crash every few minutes? Just curious. I have to be totally honest here, my experience has left me with a bad taste in my mouth for either of the "chrome" browsers.

I don't know what you are talking about, I'm using unstable version not even the beta and never saw a crash, and it plays Flash, Java (and this on a 64 bit system) just fine.

I just tried to use it to come here and check the forums and after trying 4 times to open it, I'm still not getting it to open. At any rate ya flash maybe the only thing it does right. I'm glad you're having good luck with it though. I'm runing 32 bit here and maybe that's the difference who knows. Even CraigE who has it isn't using it too much I see. Honestly firefox is just as fast here, and for a web kit to check some sites I do Arora works just fine. Good luck with it though. I think I'm gonna have to check uzbl out.

[Bro.Tiag]

These days I am using Uzbl like 99% of the time, and Firefox the other 1% for the odd site that doesn't work quite right with Uzbl like gmail.

"bout the only think I've had trouble w/ uzbl has been on-line email accounts. Some kind of a pop-up needed or some such.

Cheers