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Tips from our Members
- bluesdog
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Re: Tips from our Members
First you walk, then you run.
Just do a simple, straightforward STABLE install, and you should be well on the way.
Please don't start issuing global root commands, or installing from unstable/experimental repositories w/o at least some basic understanding of how the thing works, and expect forum members to pull your butt out of the fire you lit!
If you feel a bit adventurous, and have a basic understanding of Debian fundamentals, such as apt, and wish to install TESTING, be fully aware of why it is called 'testing'.
Post-installation, if you need/want to try something different, such as installing an out of repository package, make a post detailing your plan before executing it. Chances are someone here has experience or tips to help you avoid some pitfalls.
Debian documentation:
You can install from the repositories, or download PDF versions here
At the very least, please educate yourself about apt You'll be glad you did.
Oh, and RTFM
Just do a simple, straightforward STABLE install, and you should be well on the way.
Please don't start issuing global root commands, or installing from unstable/experimental repositories w/o at least some basic understanding of how the thing works, and expect forum members to pull your butt out of the fire you lit!
If you feel a bit adventurous, and have a basic understanding of Debian fundamentals, such as apt, and wish to install TESTING, be fully aware of why it is called 'testing'.
Post-installation, if you need/want to try something different, such as installing an out of repository package, make a post detailing your plan before executing it. Chances are someone here has experience or tips to help you avoid some pitfalls.
Debian documentation:
You can install from the repositories, or download PDF versions here
At the very least, please educate yourself about apt You'll be glad you did.
Oh, and RTFM
Last edited by bluesdog on 2009-12-31 20:16, edited 2 times in total.
Tips & Tricks
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Re: Tips from our Members
Couple of basics:
1. If you have a kind friend who's running debian, buy her a bottle of Grouse and let her do your initial setup.
A. WATCH the process and take a few notes if you're that kind of person.
2. You should spend your spare time poking around /etc
A. you also need to poke around in /dev, /proc and /home. The other stuff will come later
3. You should be using the 'man' command to the degree that your 'm' character wears out.
4. LEARN TO USE NANO
5. Aptitude, not synaptic
A. /etc/apt/sources.list
6. detachable HDDs are cheap. buy one and back your system. Use rsync (I spent 15 years using dd and made an ass of myself claiming it was better before I learned). remember: 'man rsync'
6. Crawl before you awk - don't try too many gizmos at once. You're best off dual booting and gradually fleshing out your Debian system than you are select $ALL from aptitude, trying to make it all work, failing, and becoming frustrated because you wanted to build Rome in a nanosecond.
7. Fly before you crawl: DO pick some kind of whacky gizmo that's really cool to play with. This shouldn't be something you REQUIRE, it should be silly stuff (I see no reason for the existence of compiz, but that's the kind of thing I'm talking about, here). Breaking things teaches best. It's better to break toys than tools.
8. You will be frustrated trying to find your disk drives. /etc/fstab, /etc/mtab and /proc/partitions will help you (eventually).
9. http://www.debian-multimedia.org. you want ffmpeg and libdvdcss2. The directions are easy.
10. Nvidia tries very hard to be linux friendly. bear it in mind when you buy hardware
11. Lenny. Do I stutter? L E N N Y. ok?
12. Buy a marble notebook - the kind with sewn in pages and a box of #2 pencils with the erasers broken off. Keep these items adjacent to your pc. When you break it, IMMEDIATELY write down everythign you can remember about what you did and what happened. After you fix it, write down how you fixed it. Within 6 months this book will become a treasured possession.
1. If you have a kind friend who's running debian, buy her a bottle of Grouse and let her do your initial setup.
A. WATCH the process and take a few notes if you're that kind of person.
2. You should spend your spare time poking around /etc
A. you also need to poke around in /dev, /proc and /home. The other stuff will come later
3. You should be using the 'man' command to the degree that your 'm' character wears out.
4. LEARN TO USE NANO
5. Aptitude, not synaptic
A. /etc/apt/sources.list
6. detachable HDDs are cheap. buy one and back your system. Use rsync (I spent 15 years using dd and made an ass of myself claiming it was better before I learned). remember: 'man rsync'
6. Crawl before you awk - don't try too many gizmos at once. You're best off dual booting and gradually fleshing out your Debian system than you are select $ALL from aptitude, trying to make it all work, failing, and becoming frustrated because you wanted to build Rome in a nanosecond.
7. Fly before you crawl: DO pick some kind of whacky gizmo that's really cool to play with. This shouldn't be something you REQUIRE, it should be silly stuff (I see no reason for the existence of compiz, but that's the kind of thing I'm talking about, here). Breaking things teaches best. It's better to break toys than tools.
8. You will be frustrated trying to find your disk drives. /etc/fstab, /etc/mtab and /proc/partitions will help you (eventually).
9. http://www.debian-multimedia.org. you want ffmpeg and libdvdcss2. The directions are easy.
10. Nvidia tries very hard to be linux friendly. bear it in mind when you buy hardware
11. Lenny. Do I stutter? L E N N Y. ok?
12. Buy a marble notebook - the kind with sewn in pages and a box of #2 pencils with the erasers broken off. Keep these items adjacent to your pc. When you break it, IMMEDIATELY write down everythign you can remember about what you did and what happened. After you fix it, write down how you fixed it. Within 6 months this book will become a treasured possession.
for as long as the world remains. for as long as time remains. so, too, will I remain. To serve. To help. And to make my contribution. Also, never forget our family at debianuserforums.org If we can't solve your problem, they probably can.
Re: Tips from our Members
Don't take the whole exercise too seriously, but on the other hand don't do serious work with Debian until you have it sussed out.
Use a separate partition for the OS. Have another manually mounted partition and do regular backups of any custom configuration files and other precious data to it should things go south.
Try out tons of apps and catalogue your preferences.
Read this forum a lot.
Take risks.
Run sid at some stage.
That's all for now.
Use a separate partition for the OS. Have another manually mounted partition and do regular backups of any custom configuration files and other precious data to it should things go south.
Try out tons of apps and catalogue your preferences.
Read this forum a lot.
Take risks.
Run sid at some stage.
That's all for now.
Re: Tips from our Members
If you HAVE to have Ndiswrapper installed from the get-go with debian here is a simple how-to... However be warned that this is only for those that ACTUALLY NEED ndiswrapper (not for those that just think it's easier)
Create a seberate partition and download the first 10 cds.(for those that speak english, at minimum, I don't know what cd's you'll need for whatever language you speak. I'm American and can muddle my way through a few languages, but that doesn't mean I dare to install with it)
Ok... once those are downloaded burn the FIRST one, (I said the first one not any others).
Okay, now partition and install Debian with the base system... (you can install whatever else you want but I would suggest ONLY the base system OR Gnome from the first cd) AND make sure that you added MANUALLY a new mountpoint I'll call it /storage
Once the base system is installed. It is time to install ndiswrapper.
Step 1-10.
1. mount /storage/(whatever your second cd's iso is called including the extension .iso) /media/cdrom0 -oloop
2. apt-cdrom -m -d=/media/cdrom add
3. umount /media/cdrom
4. aptitude update
5. Repeat Steps 1-4 for discs 3-10
6. aptitude install module-assistant wireless-tools
7. m-a prepare
8. m-a a-i ndiswrapper
9. mount each and every iso (cd) that it asks for (when it asks for it, as you did in step 1. (to do this you will need to switch back and forth from a different terminal by using the combination of alt+F2 for the second terminal and alt+F1 for the first) (you may want to look here http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper
10. Now install your drivers for ndiswrapper (whether it is on a cd or in the same partition as the isos.
11. After it is installed You will need to run the following commands.... to get aptitude able to go online
12. ifconfig
ifconfig wlan0 down
dhclient -r wlan0
iwconfig wlan0 essid "Internet"
iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed
ifconfig wlan0 up
************(Use the following command until connected)***********
dhclient wlan0
iwconfig
13. Now edit your fstab located at /etc/fstab and add the online repos, (whichever you want to use, I suggest lenny to begin with)
14. run aptitude update
15. aptitude safe-upgrade
16. Install whatever you want.
NOTE: As of this moment I do not know how to get step 12 to be ran each time you boot your computer and login, so you will have to run step 12 EVERY time you boot it up unless you don't want internet access.
Create a seberate partition and download the first 10 cds.(for those that speak english, at minimum, I don't know what cd's you'll need for whatever language you speak. I'm American and can muddle my way through a few languages, but that doesn't mean I dare to install with it)
Ok... once those are downloaded burn the FIRST one, (I said the first one not any others).
Okay, now partition and install Debian with the base system... (you can install whatever else you want but I would suggest ONLY the base system OR Gnome from the first cd) AND make sure that you added MANUALLY a new mountpoint I'll call it /storage
Once the base system is installed. It is time to install ndiswrapper.
Step 1-10.
1. mount /storage/(whatever your second cd's iso is called including the extension .iso) /media/cdrom0 -oloop
2. apt-cdrom -m -d=/media/cdrom add
3. umount /media/cdrom
4. aptitude update
5. Repeat Steps 1-4 for discs 3-10
6. aptitude install module-assistant wireless-tools
7. m-a prepare
8. m-a a-i ndiswrapper
9. mount each and every iso (cd) that it asks for (when it asks for it, as you did in step 1. (to do this you will need to switch back and forth from a different terminal by using the combination of alt+F2 for the second terminal and alt+F1 for the first) (you may want to look here http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper
10. Now install your drivers for ndiswrapper (whether it is on a cd or in the same partition as the isos.
11. After it is installed You will need to run the following commands.... to get aptitude able to go online
12. ifconfig
ifconfig wlan0 down
dhclient -r wlan0
iwconfig wlan0 essid "Internet"
iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed
ifconfig wlan0 up
************(Use the following command until connected)***********
dhclient wlan0
iwconfig
13. Now edit your fstab located at /etc/fstab and add the online repos, (whichever you want to use, I suggest lenny to begin with)
14. run aptitude update
15. aptitude safe-upgrade
16. Install whatever you want.
NOTE: As of this moment I do not know how to get step 12 to be ran each time you boot your computer and login, so you will have to run step 12 EVERY time you boot it up unless you don't want internet access.
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Re: Tips from our Members
Hi emiliec15
Nice tip, however I think there's an ndiswrapper how-to around here somewhere....
Network manager or wicd can be setup to automagically invoke wireless at boot time.
or
Nice tip, however I think there's an ndiswrapper how-to around here somewhere....
Network manager or wicd can be setup to automagically invoke wireless at boot time.
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man network-manager
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man wicd
Tips & Tricks
Something more to read while waiting
If you obviously have not read THIS, don't expect too much...
*winter bluesdog....*
Something more to read while waiting
If you obviously have not read THIS, don't expect too much...
*winter bluesdog....*
Re: Tips from our Members
Chapters 1 & 2 of the Debian Reference are first and second for a reason. Maintaining a Debian system without some level of comfort at the command prompt is asking for problems on top of problems.
1. If nothing else, gain some facility with chapters 1 & 2.
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debia ... 01.en.html
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debia ... 02.en.html
Be sure to know the location /usr/share/doc and how to install document packages to it, such as Debian Reference & Debian FAQ; bookmark it in your browser or make the directory your home page.
Keep reference material at your fingertips. How-to's on the net can be good but more often equate to Don't-do's. Even a good forum (present company included of course) has a 'signal to noise' ratio.
The most common beginners' questions seem to be answered in the Debian Reference or closely related to it.
2. The Reference will not only answer questions, it will provide a basis for getting good information.
Good questions get good responses.
The second most common beginners' problem seems to be engaging the knowledgeable. Actually some wildly clueless and desperate pleas do attract attention while some deserving queries remain a voice in the dark. Nevertheless, an informed and engaging dialogue reaps higher quality benefits and paves the way to a stronger understanding.
3. Avoid drama. Never panic, even when the situation deserves it.
4. If you had learned Linux first, Windows or Macintosh, not Linux, would seem weird, incomplete and needlessly difficult. And they will. But give it some time.
5. Maintain good backups as you should on any system.
1. If nothing else, gain some facility with chapters 1 & 2.
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debia ... 01.en.html
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debia ... 02.en.html
Be sure to know the location /usr/share/doc and how to install document packages to it, such as Debian Reference & Debian FAQ; bookmark it in your browser or make the directory your home page.
Keep reference material at your fingertips. How-to's on the net can be good but more often equate to Don't-do's. Even a good forum (present company included of course) has a 'signal to noise' ratio.
The most common beginners' questions seem to be answered in the Debian Reference or closely related to it.
2. The Reference will not only answer questions, it will provide a basis for getting good information.
Good questions get good responses.
The second most common beginners' problem seems to be engaging the knowledgeable. Actually some wildly clueless and desperate pleas do attract attention while some deserving queries remain a voice in the dark. Nevertheless, an informed and engaging dialogue reaps higher quality benefits and paves the way to a stronger understanding.
3. Avoid drama. Never panic, even when the situation deserves it.
4. If you had learned Linux first, Windows or Macintosh, not Linux, would seem weird, incomplete and needlessly difficult. And they will. But give it some time.
5. Maintain good backups as you should on any system.
Re: Tips from our Members
Google can be your friend. It is highly unlikely that you are the first to experience the problem that currently has you shuddering in a corner.
eg - How do I access my ntfs drives?
It also helps to show that you have tried to put some effort into finding a solution to your problem. You'll find that generally goes a long way towards people helping you.
eg - How do I access my ntfs drives?
It also helps to show that you have tried to put some effort into finding a solution to your problem. You'll find that generally goes a long way towards people helping you.
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Laptop: hp 250 G8 i3 11th Gen - Sid
Kodi: AMD Athlon 5150 APU w/Radeon HD 8400 - Sid
Laptop: hp 250 G8 i3 11th Gen - Sid
Kodi: AMD Athlon 5150 APU w/Radeon HD 8400 - Sid
Re: Tips from our Members
I think you should express it verbally. Some symbolically uninitiated party is bound to think you are just really excited about Debian and do in fact find it equal to Ubuntu.penpen wrote:debian != ubuntu
Re: Tips from our Members
Debian not the same as Ubuntu? Shock! It's not the same as Mandriva either, so what?dbbolton wrote:I think you should express it verbally. Some symbolically uninitiated party is bound to think you are just really excited about Debian and do in fact find it equal to Ubuntu.penpen wrote:debian != ubuntu
Re: Tips from our Members
You might be shocked once you've stuck around a bit longer.mechanic wrote:Debian not the same as Ubuntu? Shock! It's not the same as Mandriva either, so what?dbbolton wrote:I think you should express it verbally. Some symbolically uninitiated party is bound to think you are just really excited about Debian and do in fact find it equal to Ubuntu.penpen wrote:debian != ubuntu
Re: Tips from our Members
I see from the joining dates that I've been around for longer than you - but so what?dbbolton wrote:
You might be shocked once you've stuck around a bit longer.
Re: Tips from our Members
I'm currently using KDE 4.3.4 on a Tesing/Sid install, previously I had an Openbox set up with no DE installed. I've found that the demands on system resources at start up differs by approx' 5%. KDE with compositing enabled boots with about 20% RAM usage (of 2Gb) whereas Openbox used to start with 15% with xcompmgr running. I think the differences between the "resource hog" DE's and the "lean mean" WM's are much overplayed.hazel wrote:I would rather tell beginners that, since the graphical side of Linux is an add-on to the basic system, they can choose what kind of desktop they want. The fundamental choice is between desktop environments (big, tightly integrated, resource-hungry, and coming with a full suite of applications with a common look and feel) or window managers (lean, mean, fast, but requiring you (or more positively encouraging you) to assemble your own personal collection of favourite apps). I think that corresponds to a basic temperamental difference in users.
If they decide to go the DE route, then there are big DEs (gnome, KDE), medium-size (xfce) and small ones (lxde). But even the smallest requires more resources than a simple window manager on its own. Only those who definitely want a big modern desktop environment with plenty of eye-candy need to choose between gnome and KDE.
Tip:
Try things for yourself, don't use other people's experiences as a basis for your own decision making.
Debian Squeeze + KDE 4.4.4 + AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000 + nVidia GeForce 8600
Re: Tips from our Members
Assuming your implication that join date is connected with reading forum posts regularly, then you must have seen how many migrants come to this forum and are shocked to find out that Debian isn't exactly like Ubuntu. But since you didn't see that, per your earlier post, my assumption must be false.mechanic wrote:I see from the joining dates that I've been around for longer than you - but so what?dbbolton wrote:
You might be shocked once you've stuck around a bit longer.
Probably the most common thing is sudo-- "It wasn't installed/set up automatically for me like it was in Ubuntu". Of course this could go for any number of things.
There are also a lot of people who actually join #debian to ask questions about Ubuntu, and are appalled when someone refers them to #ubuntu. I've seen this happen several times.
Re: Tips from our Members
Ah, I think I see the source of our little disagreement, you missed the ironic nature of my initial post. Perhaps you are a US citizen?
Re: Tips from our Members
I was actually being sarcastic until you called my integrity into question.mechanic wrote:Ah, I think I see the source of our little disagreement, you missed the ironic nature of my initial post. Perhaps you are a US citizen?
Disclaimer: This post is not a serious post.
Re: Tips from our Members
thanks for you to share your mind.hazel wrote:I would rather tell beginners that, since the graphical side of Linux is an add-on to the basic system, they can choose what kind of desktop they want. The fundamental choice is between desktop environments (big, tightly integrated, resource-hungry, and coming with a full suite of applications with a common look and feel) or window managers (lean, mean, fast, but requiring you (or more positively encouraging you) to assemble your own personal collection of favourite apps). I think that corresponds to a basic temperamental difference in users.kman wrote:I am not the most knowledgeable when it comes to linux but when i try to convince people to try a linux distro , i tell them that if they like mac then they would be more comfortable with gnome and if you are a windows familiar person you would be more comfortable with kde3 (xp like) and kde4 ( vista or windows 7 like).
If they decide to go the DE route, then there are big DEs (gnome, KDE), medium-size (xfce) and small ones (lxde). But even the smallest requires more resources than a simple window manager on its own. Only those who definitely want a big modern desktop environment with plenty of eye-candy need to choose between gnome and KDE.
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Re: Tips from our Members
I see it often said to "search the forum" for the answer your looking for, before posting a new thread. Fine, but I've found the forum search utility to be less than useful. Usually you'll get either no results or a whole bunch of irrelevant results *IMO*. I once did a search on this very forum for something, I can't recall exactly what at the moment, but the first result was a thread where someone had posted try using the search function, true story.
Anyway, I learned a while back one way to make better use of google, and (in my opinion a better way to search the forums).
You can search a single domain in google like this,
Doing this, I've had much greater success than by using this or other forums built in search.
Anyway, I learned a while back one way to make better use of google, and (in my opinion a better way to search the forums).
You can search a single domain in google like this,
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site:forums.debian.net put search terms here
Re: Tips from our Members
There's also a yubnub command that performs the same thing: go to YubNub and type the following into search entry:weedeater64 wrote:You can search a single domain in google like this,Code: Select all
site:forums.debian.net put search terms here
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duf put search terms here
Q: Why is the Eunux kernel so bloated?
A: It was made in the image of its founder.
A: It was made in the image of its founder.
Re: Tips from our Members
Sometimes the installation does not go ok, the network, dns, partition, etc. This was the case of my paper boy and his old PIII/256mb ram/intel integrated tower.
We decided to clean the old hard drive, i introduced a copy of the SLAX live cd, it entered X fine, went to the terminal (it's already on root) and filled the hd with zeros:
I left it running for an hour (the screen won't show nothing) then i stopped with Ctrl-c, rebooted, got the slax cd out, inserted the Lenny netinstall cd and this time everything worked. We did a minimal install and installed LXDE, he's happy as a pig in manure.
Just a tip...
We decided to clean the old hard drive, i introduced a copy of the SLAX live cd, it entered X fine, went to the terminal (it's already on root) and filled the hd with zeros:
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# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
or hda if it's an ide drive.
Just a tip...
Re: Tips from our Members
I just wrote a couple of howtos in the Docs, Howtos, Tips, and Tricks subforum.
They are basic Lenny instalation and configuration.
It might answer some questions...
They are basic Lenny instalation and configuration.
It might answer some questions...