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Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#101 Post by craigevil »

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100404 Iceweasel/3.6.3 (like Firefox/3.6.3)
Wonders why this thread isnt locked. The reasons why Firefox is called Iceweasel have been beaten to death many times.
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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#102 Post by Stian1979 »

craigevil wrote:Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100404 Iceweasel/3.6.3 (like Firefox/3.6.3)
Wonders why this thread isnt locked. The reasons why Firefox is called Iceweasel have been beaten to death many times.
Who care? iceweasel is more stable and with less security holes so who care what version it is? I can view youtube, google and forums.debian.net just fine, what more would I need from a browser? 3.7.4.5.3.4SE?

Why would I care to build firefox packages? icewasel upgrade itself with apt-get upgrade.
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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#103 Post by mram50 »

Ice weasel and firefox, etc were put in here so that we would bite at every add-on ever made and slow our systems down soooo slow that they have time to go out drinking while we wait for the next page to load. :lol: Makes about as much sense as any other conspiracy theory out there..

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#104 Post by TheExplorer »

Here's another post about Firefox coming back into Debian :)

It's said to be done due to to the changes in Mozilla policy.

And the most important idea about all that Iceweasel stuff (besides rebranding) is it's support for old 3.0.x version of Mozilla (which they have ceased to support).
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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#105 Post by craigevil »

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:2.0b1) Gecko/20100709 Iceweasel/4.0b1 (like Firefox/4.0b1)
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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#106 Post by jordanwb »

I installed Minefield via the PPA on Launchpad.

Deal with it.

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#107 Post by craigevil »

jordanwb wrote:I installed Minefield via the PPA on Launchpad.

Deal with it.
Sure installing Ubuntu packages on Debian, yeah that's definitely not the right way to go about doing things.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100722 Firefox/3.6.8

$ apt-cache policy iceweasel
iceweasel:
Installed: 4.0~b1-0
Candidate: 4.0~b1-0
Version table:
*** 4.0~b1-0 0
500 http://mozilla.debian.net ./ Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
3.6.7-1 0
101 http://ftp.debian.org experimental/main Packages
3.5.11-1 0
500 http://mirrors.kernel.org sid/main Packages
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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#108 Post by debianacm »

Why do we need to rename firefox on so many linux distro? LOL

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#109 Post by Narcissistic »

debianacm wrote:Why do we need to rename firefox on so many linux distro? LOL
Because some people from FF decided to get picky and change the licence agreement along with throwing a fit over FF being maintained by others beyond their release cycle. While I can see some of their stance it is a bit of a snub to the Free software/Opensource community since they don't maintain patches for older releases of their software (ie. you need to upgrade to the next release instead). All corrections from knowledgible folks accepted. This is just my understanding of things.

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

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Narcissistic wrote:
debianacm wrote:Why do we need to rename firefox on so many linux distro? LOL
Because some people from FF decided to get picky and change the licence agreement along with throwing a fit over FF being maintained by others beyond their release cycle. While I can see some of their stance it is a bit of a snub to the Free software/Opensource community since they don't maintain patches for older releases of their software (ie. you need to upgrade to the next release instead). All corrections from knowledgible folks accepted. This is just my understanding of things.
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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#111 Post by Narcissistic »

What product or service do they sell? At the present, I am not aware of any that I have to pay for to be "legal" to use.

A quick search shows me to their home page where they say they are a project like any other open-source project. I did not see one piece of software for sale.

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#112 Post by stevepusser »

Mozilla does make millions of dollars by including the Google search box....i.e.: http://techcrunch.com/2008/08/28/mozill ... r-3-years/
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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#113 Post by jheaton5 »

And the beat goes on...the beat goes on.
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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#114 Post by Ultra Magnus »

How about Swiftfox? :wink:
It's a clone of firefox in my opinion. everything "firefox" is the same. Give it a try.
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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#115 Post by MeanDean »

coming up on nine pages...

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Re: Why is there no Firefox in Debian?

#116 Post by craigevil »

Do we really need to continue this thread. Enough information has been provided to explain the how, why and what.

Iceweasel = Firefox
Icedove = Thunderbird
Iceape = Seamonkey

Why? See:
Mozilla Corporation software rebranded by the Debian project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Co ... an_project

glandium.org » Blog Archive » Facts about Debian and Mozilla® Firefox® : http://glandium.org/blog/?p=97

Debian and Mozilla - a study in trademarks [LWN.net] : http://lwn.net/Articles/118268/

Debian Social Contract : http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines

Iceweasel and User Agents : http://www.geticeweasel.org/useragent/

Iceweasel - Debian Wiki : http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
What is iceweasel?

Iceweasel is a fork [from Firefox] with the following purpose :

1) backporting of security fixes to declared Debian stable version.
2) no inclusion of trademarked Mozilla artwork (because of #1 above)
Beyond that, they will be basically identical. (quoting Roberto C. Sanchez post in debian-devel mailing list)

Also note that iceweasel is NOT Iceweasel from http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/.
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