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When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
I need to get back to a simple desktop with a single bar at the bottom of the screen (out of the way, the top bar is for the application I am using) with launchers, taskbar and notification area.
I also support users who are going to want to retain this layout when Wheezy becomes stable. I guess that any business that is using Debian is going to want the same, not have to train their staff to use a different, less convenient desktop. That is the sort of trick M$ imposes on people.
John
I also support users who are going to want to retain this layout when Wheezy becomes stable. I guess that any business that is using Debian is going to want the same, not have to train their staff to use a different, less convenient desktop. That is the sort of trick M$ imposes on people.
John
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
You can use the Xfce desktop.
Cinnamon is still a bit green but it will be available in the Debian compatible Mint repository.
And yes, as much as there are good things in GNOME 3 and well intentioned people, there are some obvious flaws. The proof for that is when you see in the GNOME related web resources, like blogs, that any constructive suggestion is soon contested by completely unsubstantiated posts by fanboys, some of which I suspect are contributors themselves. So more balanced contributors are challenged to find proper feedback.
A simple example is them sacrificing application design just to get a unified pattern in the whole desktop, as if one would be able to use GNOME and nothing else, which is obviously not going to happen except maybe in some very limited devices.
Cinnamon is still a bit green but it will be available in the Debian compatible Mint repository.
And yes, as much as there are good things in GNOME 3 and well intentioned people, there are some obvious flaws. The proof for that is when you see in the GNOME related web resources, like blogs, that any constructive suggestion is soon contested by completely unsubstantiated posts by fanboys, some of which I suspect are contributors themselves. So more balanced contributors are challenged to find proper feedback.
A simple example is them sacrificing application design just to get a unified pattern in the whole desktop, as if one would be able to use GNOME and nothing else, which is obviously not going to happen except maybe in some very limited devices.
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
Please never.When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
Always on Debian Testing
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
I agree never. Use Xfce 4.6 now, and in 4.8 you should be able to get rid of the dock on the bottom for the original taskbar. I don't want Linux desktops to turn into a dumbed down plastic phone OS with all the standard bits stripped out or hidden (or both).
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
When somebody steps up to package and maintain it. (if there's enough time before the freeze) My guess is it won't get in to the main repos for wheezy at all.jowyta wrote:I need to get back to a simple desktop with a single bar at the bottom of the screen (out of the way, the top bar is for the application I am using) with launchers, taskbar and notification area.
I also support users who are going to want to retain this layout when Wheezy becomes stable. I guess that any business that is using Debian is going to want the same, not have to train their staff to use a different, less convenient desktop. That is the sort of trick M$ imposes on people.
John
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
best post evah!vbrummond wrote:Please never.When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
I am looking forward to Cinnamon. I am staying with Debian but it is one I would like to use it when it is a little more mature. However as others have said XFCE4 is great. If I ever get a touch monitor though I might end up using Gnome 3.
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Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
Why do you want to impose your preference(s) on everyone else when having cinnamon in the repo won't affect you?vbrummond wrote:Please never.When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
cinnamon is gnome-shell with a bunch of pre-installed extensions, it is still gnome 3.jowyta wrote:I need to get back to a simple desktop with a single bar at the bottom of the screen (out of the way, the top bar is for the application I am using) with launchers, taskbar and notification area.
I also support users who are going to want to retain this layout when Wheezy becomes stable. I guess that any business that is using Debian is going to want the same, not have to train their staff to use a different, less convenient desktop. That is the sort of trick M$ imposes on people.
John
the old gnome is dead, finished, kaput, no longer being developed upstream, get over it.
spend 10 minutes learning the new shell or switch to something else.
it's not a trick and it's not hard to learn.
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
@bmc5311, you're confusing Cinnamon with MGSE (Mint's GNOME Shell Extensions).
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
it's not gnome 3?secipolla wrote:@bmc5311, you're confusing Cinnamon with MGSE (Mint's GNOME Shell Extensions).
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
It's a fork of it, and libmuffin is a fork of Mutter.bmc5311 wrote:it's not gnome 3?
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
(expanding)I don't know the technicalities, but it's a fork of gnome-shell. So it started based on it but is following its own path now.
Clem explained that well, probably on some comment on the Cinnamon blog. Basically the GNOME developers weren't interested in exchanging improvements and follow their own, let's say 'not very wide', path.
BTW, Cinnamon 1.3 was released today.
Clem explained that well, probably on some comment on the Cinnamon blog. Basically the GNOME developers weren't interested in exchanging improvements and follow their own, let's say 'not very wide', path.
BTW, Cinnamon 1.3 was released today.
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
a fork of gnome 3 or a fork of gnome-shell? this is where most people seem to get confused, gnome-shell is only a part of gnome 3 (i'm sure that you know this).secipolla wrote:(expanding)I don't know the technicalities, but it's a fork of gnome-shell. So it started based on it but is following its own path now.
Clem explained that well, probably on some comment on the Cinnamon blog. Basically the GNOME developers weren't interested in exchanging improvements and follow their own, let's say 'not very wide', path.
BTW, Cinnamon 1.3 was released today.
i suppose that the clem guy is entitled to his opinion and so are the gnome developers.
clem's ideas of "improvements" could be seen as a step backwards to some, whatever..
i'm not interested in mint, so it doesn't surprise me that the gnome developers aren't either.
personally i didn't care for (the old) gnome (i used openbox for the last couple of years) until the new gnome-shell showed up, i like the new interface, it's easy to learn and pretty intuitive once you you stop thinking it should act like the old gnome.
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
It doesn't make much sense you keep arguing in a thread when you don't have a clue about its main subject.
You said already more than once in other more appropriate threads how much you like GNOME 3.
You said already more than once in other more appropriate threads how much you like GNOME 3.
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
I'm not arguing with you, or anyone else. I incorrectly stated that Cinnamon was gnome-shell with pre-installed extensions, I was then corrected and informed that it was a fork, I asked if it was a fork of gnome 3 or or a fork of gnome-shell. gnome-shell is not "gnome 3" - gnome 3 is the whole desktop environment (the DE), it's more then just the shell.secipolla wrote:It doesn't make much sense you keep arguing in a thread when you don't have a clue about its main subject.
You said already more than once in other more appropriate threads how much you like GNOME 3.
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
Because Cinnamon and Mint are both dire crap.dtl131 wrote:Why do you want to impose your preference(s) on everyone else when having cinnamon in the repo won't affect you?
Edit: I don't really care if its in or not. As long as it is quality software; as you said; I never have to use it. I am just hoping to never have to put up with "Mint" anything in my lifetime.
Always on Debian Testing
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
Many thought KDE4 was utter crap until about 4.5.x, but it was still in the repo. I suggest giving Cinnamon more time to develop before passing judgement on it.
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
In the mean time ....
I have succeeded in installing Cinnamon as follows:
Using aptitude and Wheezy/testing, first of all update all installed packages.
Then include the line: in /etc/apt/sources.list.
In aptitude, press u (update)
Find cinnamon, press + to install it. DO NOT press U (update packages).
Press g, check that only cinnamon and a few dependencies are due to be installed. In my case these were:
caribou
cups-pk-helper
gir1.2-atspi-2.0
gir1.2-muffin-3.0
libatspi2.0-0
libglew1.7
libmuffin0
mesa-utils
muffin-common
python-pyatspi2
Press g again to install them.
Finally, comment out the line in /etc/apt/sources.list, i.e. and then in aptitude, press u (update) again.
Next time you log on you will have the option to use Cinnamon.
I have succeeded in installing Cinnamon as follows:
Using aptitude and Wheezy/testing, first of all update all installed packages.
Then include the line:
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deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
In aptitude, press u (update)
Find cinnamon, press + to install it. DO NOT press U (update packages).
Press g, check that only cinnamon and a few dependencies are due to be installed. In my case these were:
caribou
cups-pk-helper
gir1.2-atspi-2.0
gir1.2-muffin-3.0
libatspi2.0-0
libglew1.7
libmuffin0
mesa-utils
muffin-common
python-pyatspi2
Press g again to install them.
Finally, comment out the line in /etc/apt/sources.list, i.e.
Code: Select all
#deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
Next time you log on you will have the option to use Cinnamon.
Re: When will Cinnamon get into Wheezy?
jowyta, thanks. It worked perfectly.
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing.
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Thinking is over rated. Let the Government do it for you.
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Thinking is over rated. Let the Government do it for you.