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G'day, MATE!

Postby Caitlin » 2014-10-03 06:12

This is not a question, it's a comment.

Gnome 3 stinks. I hated it just from the descriptions I read long ago. Finally I had to upgrade to Wheezy and Gnome 3 came with it. It wasn't as bad as I thought it was, it was much worse!

The strongest statement I can make regarding the "new and improved Gnome" is just not to use it. And I'm not the only one.

My first order of business was to replace it. Finally, I discovered MATE. I was so happy I couldn't help shouting "G'day, MATE!"

May the Gnome 3 team rot forever in the lowest levels of hell.

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Re: G'day, MATE!

Postby deltaflyer » 2014-10-03 06:31

moved to General Discussion,as it's not a question
free your computer,use opensource
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Re: G'day, MATE!

Postby kedaha » 2014-10-03 10:08

Caitlin wrote:Gnome 3 stinks. I hated it just from the descriptions I read long ago.

The descriptions of systemd, jessie's system and service manager don't exactly inspire the opposite emotion either. :wink:
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Re: G'day, MATE!

Postby yzT » 2014-10-03 10:11

That's your opinion.

I've tried MATE, XFCE, LXDE, KDE and Cinnamon, and yet my DE of choice is Gnome with Cairo-Dock.
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Re: G'day, MATE!

Postby edbarx » 2014-10-03 10:40

yzT wrote:That's your opinion.

I've tried MATE, XFCE, LXDE, KDE and Cinnamon, and yet my DE of choice is Gnome with Cairo-Dock.

Clearly, you have powerful hardware to say that. This is not the case for many who found CHOICE as a way to prolong the life of their 'outdated' hardware. Unfortunately, or better, intentionally, systemd and GNOME3 will streamline that to match the world out there.
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Re: G'day, MATE!

Postby keithpeter » 2014-10-03 20:17

edbarx wrote:...many who found CHOICE as a way to prolong the life of their 'outdated' hardware. Unfortunately, or better, intentionally, systemd and GNOME3 will streamline that to match the world out there.

Gnome is a resource magnet (mainly I suspect because of the 3d composited desktop its window manager requires), agreed. Wheezy default install runs (ok, sort of jogs) on a thinkpad dual core X60 with 1Gb ram. Things get better with 1.5Mb. This laptop has Intel video, so no binary drivers needed.

Systemd and its associated mudball does not, oddly, seem to add a huge overhead when used on a minimal system. According to my notes it is something like a couple of Mb on the old-school desktop (68 cf 62 idle off a fresh boot, before I had the cups daemon running). I prefer to run sysvinit for the lutz and the absence of mudball dependencies.

I ran the tiling window manager dwm along with the dmenu search based application launcher on Squeeze for a year or so. You don't get much lighter than that. Oddly enough, Gnome *reminds* me of dwm. Search based and keyboard friendly. Just several thousand times larger!

I might do a reinstall on the test laptop and see how MATE runs with systemv and (I guess) the systemd-shim in Jessie next week if the current version mis-match has gone away.
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Re: G'day, MATE!

Postby yzT » 2014-10-04 09:58

edbarx wrote:
yzT wrote:That's your opinion.

I've tried MATE, XFCE, LXDE, KDE and Cinnamon, and yet my DE of choice is Gnome with Cairo-Dock.

Clearly, you have powerful hardware to say that. This is not the case for many who found CHOICE as a way to prolong the life of their 'outdated' hardware. Unfortunately, or better, intentionally, systemd and GNOME3 will streamline that to match the world out there.

and do you think is it fair to say Gnome sucks just because you have an old PC? Evolution dude, evolution.

Gnome runs fine on PCs of seven years ago, not my fault you try to use it on something from ten years ago.
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Re: G'day, MATE!

Postby sirfer » 2014-10-04 10:44

What is peoples obsession with DE's? IMO they all suck. WM's can be customised to order...especially on a PC where I want the OS to get out of my way and let me work...computing makes me money so fretting over this DE or that because it borks my Xorg or uses 50MB of RAM instead of 30MB is something I left behind years ago. Hell, my current system uses ~160MB for the WM alone, but thats due to the crappy ATI drivers I need to get Xorg running smoothly.

And yzT nobody even said anything was your fault, thats a childish retort if ever I saw one.

I use OpenBox because I realised Linux DE's were going around and around in circles and nowhere fast so I bothered to learn a more basic yet customisable system and I like it. It lets me operate my computer the way I like it by making my own menus and startup options...and it isn't exactly hard to figure out. The *boxes are far more powerful than most people can imagine. Don't get me wrong, MATE and Cinnamon are good, I recently installed Linux Mint with Cinnamon (or was it MATE?) on a spare partition and apart from the hideous greenery in the themes, it is fast and usable. But I always return to my Debian stable with OpenBox because I made it what it is...fast, lean and simple. It sorta looks like this http://sirfer.mooo.com/pix/2013-07-13-1 ... _scrot.png altho I have added a few items to the menu since that screenie, but I could work with what you see there

Don't get hung up on superficialities people, its substance that counts. I use a dv5 1108ax laptop with a dual core AMD something-or-other and 4GB of RAM and its as fast as I could ever want a PC to be.
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Re: G'day, MATE!

Postby edbarx » 2014-10-04 10:53

yzT wrote:Evolution dude, evolution.

Gnome is not for me and the reason is not that hardware cannot support it. Furhermore, I never condemned Gnome, but the inability of DDs to stand up and be counted. Debian was always reknown to give ample freedom as to what its users can choose to use.

Moving from a state of self-determination, to one where one is constrained to take it or leave it, is an 'evolution' many don't accept. Can anyone who can see reason blame them?
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Re: G'day, MATE!

Postby harrycaul » 2014-10-06 15:08

debianxfce wrote:Debian will use xfce as default in the next release.

Source?
Gnome is for dummies, you can not configure the desktop easily, it is slow and filling the screen with menu items is stupid.

No argument here. Xfce > Gnome
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Re: G'day, MATE!

Postby harrycaul » 2014-10-06 20:54

debianxfce wrote:Debian will use xfce as default in the next release.


viewtopic.php?f=19&t=108635&p=555614&sid=094708f00a6e0814f5ee2c3a1c2c2328#p555614
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Re: G'day, MATE!

Postby RU55EL » 2014-10-06 21:14

If everyone in the world was the same, life would be so boring!

As everyone here should know, GNU/linux gives us the luxury of choosing one of many desktop environments. Certain DEs work better with certain hardware, and certain people.

My two primary computers, one at home, one at work, are fairly peppy, 3.4 GHz quad core with 16 GB of RAM and several terabytes of hard drive space. Given that, just about any DE will work on the hardware. I've tried XFCE whole heartedly, and do find it very resource efficient, but not task efficient - at least not for me. I really like Gnome, I can work much faster using it and find myself using the mouse less and less. I'm just surprised that so many people here seem to dislike it.

OK, that being said, I have an old XP machine with a dual core 3 GHz processor, 2 GB of ram, and two 125 GB drives in RAID 1 working as a file server with XFCE installed so that it can be used as a desktop computer if needed.

Ah, nothing like the freedom of choice!
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Re: G'day, MATE!

Postby Ardouos » 2014-10-10 08:38

debianxfce wrote:
Debian will use xfce as default in the next release. Gnome is for dummies, you can not configure the desktop easily, it is slow and filling the screen with menu items is stupid.


Gnome is now default again, unless you provide us with an up to date source.

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=108635&start=165#p554178

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-a ... 00002.html
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Re: G'day, MATE!

Postby Caitlin » 2014-10-14 16:52

I am tired of hearing the argument that the "lightweight" desktops are for older, less powerful hardware. GNOME 3 is crap, and with a faster machine, it'll just be crappy at a faster rate of speed. Ralph Nader said some cars are "unsafe at any speed" and that's the way I feel about the new GNOME.

And it doesn't matter that the bugs are still being worked out of it. When it's debugged, it'll just be crappy without bugs.

I once saw an article about how having a computer doesn't have to be expensive. For the cheaper alternatives, they suggested Linux as it's free. For those who have more money to spend, they suggested Windows. In effect they were saying to get Windows if you can afford it -- it's the same type of argument to say get GNOME 3 if your hardware can support it.

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Re: G'day, MATE!

Postby RU55EL » 2014-10-14 19:19

Caitlin wrote:[...] GNOME 3 is crap, and with a faster machine, it'll just be crappy at a faster rate of speed. [...]


Why do you say that it is crap? Because you don't like it? Or, is there something wrong with it? Don't get me wrong, I am asking because I'm genuinely curious. I am reading that a lot of Debian users, clearly very capable users, really don't like Gnome and I wonder why. Everyone has their own preferences, that I respect, if fact, that is one of the great things about Debian. Freedom of choice. But, I can't help wondering if there is a fundamental software problem with Gnome, considering how much it seems to be despised here.
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