You are right, if I appeared abrasive, my apologies, I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the box full of tools, aka the Debian leadership.bettylou wrote:Yes Kali may some day use systemd and yes fruitofloom my not think it worthy, but it is an OS without systemd... as specified by the OP.
I just built this machine and was looking forward to a fast box with no headaches for the next 5 years or so, Debian was my #1 distro of choice, now I have to scramble to find a suitable alternative. I dumped Windows because of 'mystery-ware', I'm not having yet another corporation (Redshat) shove more mystery-ware down my throat.
I know, I'm repeating myself now but this is serious, it's not fully proven software, it's not user friendly, it takes over your OS like a bad virus, it enables your OS to crash because it's a control freak (it wants to do everything and be everything, exactly what was wrong with svchost in Windows), that's what attracted me to Linux, things ran OUTSIDE the kernel, now Redshat and Poettering are spreading this mystery-ware crash-tool like wildfire. PC-BSD is looking better everyday, part of the BSD model is to implement well proven software in increments, not this adopt any garbage for any reason bull$#1+, like in Linux-land.
It's just a matter of time until some 12 year old pimply faced kid finds an exploit in this buggy monstrosity, then watch everybody drop it like a hot potato, or adopt uselessd, which is the balanced solution, maintained by the community and compatible with the Poettering blob, which potentially could be or become NSA-ware.
I'm gunna do a test install of PC-BSD on my old machine, get my feet wet, this Debian install is still good to surf the web for BSD tips and tricks, lol, that's about it, once the BSD learning curve is over, I'm outta here.
My tinfoil hat is on fire again, lol, it seems the powers that be want everybody using stupid, ugly, bizarre Gnome with virusd under the hood, I'd rather take an axe to my PC first.
Edit: Here is another option as suggested in a debianuserforums.org post, try Debian with the kFreeBSD kernel. To quote Bob Marley, "Exodus, movement of Jah people", lol.
Edit 2: Status of Xfce (default) and other DEs on Debian kFreeBSD 7.7 (Wheezy).
Edit 3: NO virusd in debian-7.7.0-kfreebsd-amd64-DVD-1.iso. Use a mirror, it's a way faster download than the main Debian server. Edit 4: The Debian Wheezy kFreeBSD net install would probably be a better bet (if your nic is supported on boot that is). The net install md5sum is here, scroll down (this page may become obsolete in the future, always match the file name with the md5 supplied).
Edit 5: This is an interesting read (a little schizophrenic considering what's happening with the Linux arm of Debian), Why would you prefer Debian GNU/kFreeBSD to Debian GNU/Linux?.
Edit 6: More Debian Wheezy kFreeBSD good news, there's a deb-multimedia.org kfreebsd-amd64 wheezy/stable repo (no 'non-free' though, only 'main'). Big plus for me.